more on what your children learn in school

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

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> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:31:43 -0400
> From: Bob Frankston <Bob2-19 () bobf frankston com>
> Subject: RE: [IP] more on what your children learn in school
> To: dave () farber net, ip () v2 listbox com
>
>
> While it is hard to give a complex message in elementary school this
> particular one is offensive and dangerous. Once we make this a moral issue
> there is no room for nor even the concept of a discussion of the issues.
>
> It's part of the Santa Claus tradition that assumes we can easily
> distinguish good from evil and outlaw evil. We can create the .XXX domain
> for evil and the .KIDs domain for good. We can ban phone calls from bad
> people (the do-not-call list) and ban mail from spammers (bad people). No
> need for nuance or ambiguity.
>
> We can even allow free speech as long as nothing says anything wrong.
>
> This is the problem with consolidation of media -- the messages reinforce
> their audience's prejudice.
>
> There is indeed a contradiction -- limiting media concentration is a form of
> censorship and I look forward to the end of the control over the channels
> that is associated with the telecommunications model that presumes the
> transport and contents are tied together.
>
> Once we get past that then we will have to address the question of whether
> people actually want to see ideas that challenge them -- just because
> they're available doesn't mean they will be heard. But it's a risk we'll
> have to take.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ip () v2 listbox com [mailto:owner-ip () v2 listbox com] On Behalf Of
> Dave Farber
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 14:44
> To: ip () v2 listbox com
> Subject: [IP] more on what your children learn in school
>
> Just what came to my mind
>
>
> >Delivered-To: dfarber+ () ux13 sp cs cmu edu
> >Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:58:23 -0700
> >From: Bob Hinden <hinden () iprg nokia com>
> >Subject: Re: [IP] what your children learn in school
> >X-Sender: hinden () mailhost iprg nokia com
> >To: "Janos G." <janos451 () earthlink net>
> >Cc: dave () farber net, hinden () iprg nokia com
> >
> >
> >Janos,
> >
> >I suspect this will have the opposite effect as intended.  It will teach
> >the kids that stealing music and films is cool.  If the big media
> >companies say it is bad, then it must be....
> >
> >These kind of messages haven't exactly stopped kids drinking alcohol,
> >taking drugs, sex, etc.
> >
> >Bob
> >
> >
> >At 01:10 AM 9/26/2003, Dave Farber wrote:
> >
> >>Delivered-To: dfarber+ () ux13 sp cs cmu edu
> >>Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 23:51:41 -0700
> >>From:
> >>Subject: "Interesting!"
> >>To: Farber-IP <dave () farber net>
> >>
> >>[what your children learn in school]
> >>
> >>Studios Moving to Block Piracy of Films Online
> >>
> >>By LAURA M. HOLSON The New York Times
> >>9/25/03
> >>.... fourth paragraph
> >>
> >>Also, as early as next month the industry will begin promoting a "stealing
> >>is bad" message in schools, teaming up with Junior Achievement on an
> >>hourlong class for fifth through ninth graders on the history of copyright
> >>law and the evils of online file sharing. The effort includes games like
> >>Starving Artist, in which students pretend to be musicians whose work is
> >>downloaded free from the Internet, and a crossword puzzle called Surfing
> >>for Trouble.
> >>
> >>~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>Janos Gereben/SF
> >>www.sfcv.org
> >>janos451 () earthlink net
> >>
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