more on I THINK THIS IS CLOSE TO THE END -- Debunking Time censorship rumor (Was: why did TIME censor George H.W. Bush's quotes from its web-site?!

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

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> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 14:20:07 -0800
> From: Jim Warren <jwarren () well com>
> Subject: Re: Debunking Time censorship rumor (Was: why did TIME censor George
>  H.W. Bush's quotes from its web-site?!
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> To: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>, dave () farber net
> Cc: bkoball () well com, russ () mindpollen com
>
> At 4:36 PM -0500 11/11/03, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > It is silly to claim that Bush Sr. and Scowcroft would strong-arm Time 
> > Inc. into removing an article from time.com
>
> Who's claiming that Bush Sr and/or Scowcroft strong-armed Time?  I 
> certainly didn't.  Of course it's available in their book, but as far as I 
> know, their book ain't online, and is thus FAR less accessible to the 
> nation and the world.
>
> The question DOES remain -- WHY did Time delete this article only, from 
> their website, when it is clearly such a provocative commentary DIRECTLY 
> relating to one of the foremost issues currently impacting the world?
>
>
> > -- when that article was an excerpt from their book that you can buy 
> > today from Amazon.com:
> > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679432485/002-4329529-5336027?v=glance
> >
> > Unfortunately the Memory Hole (which has done yeoman's work in the past 
> > documenting real instances of censorship) forgot to mention that.
>
> The hell the didn't!  Quoting from the bottom line of their second boxed 
> excerpt:
> "the same passage appears on page 489 of Bush and Scowcroft's book, A 
> World Transformed (Alfred A. Knopf, 1998)"
>
>
> > Other explanations seem more likely. Perhaps the article was lost in a 
> > redesign?
>
> And perhaps cows CAN fly.  Yes, that's POSSIBLE ... but hardly 
> likely.  Otherwise, there would be some/many other -- less politically 
> sensitive -- articles that were also "lost".
>
>
> > Or perhaps Time Inc. inked a deal with the publisher that it would only 
> > be available on time.com for a few years?
>
> Now lessie ... is it really likely that Time ad publisher Knopf would have 
> done a contract that allowed Time to run the excerpts in print (widely 
> archived in thousands of libraries worldwide), AND allowed them to include 
> a copy of those excepts in their web archives -- from March, 1998, until 
> August or September of 2003 -- but then prohibit it?  If so, it'd be one 
> of the most amazing publishing contracts I've ever heard of.
>
> M'thinks yer stretching.  :-)
>
> --jim

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