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Report from FTC Spam Conference
From: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 21:40:39 -0400
------ Forwarded Message From: Cindy Cohn <Cindy () eff org> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 18:34:40 -0700 To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Re: Report from FTC Spam Conference Hi Dave, You asked for a report on the FTC conference last week. I participated on a panel on Blacklists and announced EFF's efforts to work with noncommercial e-mail mailing lists to develop a set of principles and best practices for listowners, ISPs and various anti-spam forces including blacklists (they apparently prefer the term "blocklists," but I'll stick with the term that was used by the FTC) aimed to ensure that noncommercial e-mail lists aren't snared by anti-spam measures. I mentioned that you had told me that you operated the first e-mail list and that you experienced ongoing problems with delivery of the IP List. I made several points, but the basic gist was: 1. I'm here because EFF was approached by a subscriber to a large e-mail list, Moveon.org, who was having trouble receiving wanted e-mails from them. I asked Moveon.org about this and learned that it is an ongoing problem for them. Since it is also an ongoing problem for EFF with our newsletter, the EFFector, I decided to conduct an informal survey by sending a note to the EFFector asking if any other nonprofit e-mail lists recipients or senders had experienced any problems. I received a large number of responses, including lists as large as Moveon.org's 2 million members to those as small as a Berkeley High School parents' list. I concluded that when e-mail becomes unavailable as a tool for broad political organizing and informal mailing lists, we've broken something fundamental and it's time to try to fix it. 2. At the same time, I'm sympathetic to what many in the anti-spam movement are trying to do. Most of them care deeply about the health of the Internet and are sincerely trying to do the right thing. EFF is very supportive of tools that give users the ability to filter and control their mail. We're supportive of tools used by ISPs that don't tread into censorship. Personally I care about this issue too. Before joining EFF I sued a spammer and won a $65,000 settlement based upon California and federal false advertising, anti-hacking and unfair business practices law, so I am supportive of litigation where appropriate (BTW, the spammer paid every penny). It seems that many of the problems arise when a third party, be it your ISP or some entity used by your ISP, tries to determine which of your mail you want to receive and which you do not. 3. In trying to figure out how to approach this, I started with thinking about what the analysis would be if the government was deciding which of your mail you received and which you did not. From that perspective, the problems become are easy to see and articulate. a. Lack of transparency. It was telling that none of the Blacklists on the panel would reveal which ISPs use them and only one ISP in the audience spoke up that he used a Blacklists. b. Overbreadth -- the techniques block more than just spam. The worst problem here, after just plain errors in anti-spam tools, is the blocking of other customers of an ISP because one of the customers is accused of spamming. c. Lack of due process for those accused of spamming. Few anti-spam measures give any warning beforehand and there seems to be a general failure to respond quickly to mistakes. d. Misuse of anti-spam processes for non-spam related purposes. I mentioned Moveon.org's suspicion that their messages are being marked as spam by those who disagree with their political message and the well-publicized incidents of anti-spam folks blocking each other due to competitive and personal disputes. e. "Whack a mole" problem. The current situation has an everchanging number of individuals and groups acting as decisionmakers. This has happened to EFF many times -- we just get removed from the Razor database to learn that somehow we've ended up on someone else's bad list. It often takes serious investigative time even to figure out who has blocked us, much less why (see transparency, above). This situation makes it very difficult for small listowners. I concluded that if this was a case against the government for delivery of regular mail, it would be a slam dunk. Now obviously there are important differences when the entities doing the filtering are private, not governmental, but having considered the issue from that perspective, I believe that the long history of law developed around governmental censorship can aid us in looking at where the current systems are going wrong and what they could do to make things better. We're hoping to have the principles ready for prime time within a month or so. Cindy ************************************************ Cindy A. Cohn Cindy () eff org Legal Director www.eff.org Electronic Frontier Foundation 454 Shotwell Street San Francisco, CA 94110 Tel: (415)436-9333 x 108 Fax: (415) 436-9993 ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------------- You are subscribed as interesting-people () lists elistx com To manage your subscription, go to http://v2.listbox.com/member/?listname=ip Archives at: http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/
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