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Dim Bulb


From: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 19:47:44 -0400

I agree with Bob . I were married five minutes prior to the 1965 blackout in N y C. The press on that date was the same as now -Nothing has changed. !! -Why!!

The IEEE published papers which made recommendation NO ONE DID ANYTHING WITH !



Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 16:24:39 -0700
From: "Robert M. McClure" <rmm () unidot com>


At 04:59 PM 8/15/03 -0400, you wrote:

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 13:13:45 -0700
From: Severo Ornstein <severo () poonhill com>


This just in from Znet.

S.

POWER OUTAGE TRACED TO DIM BULB IN WHITE HOUSE

THE TALE OF THE BRITS WHO SWIPED 800 JOBS FROM NEW YORK, CARTED OFF $90
MILLION, THEN TONIGHT, TURNED OFF OUR LIGHTS

by Greg Palast

This is a singularly unenlightening and actually erroneous screed from
a journalist who clearly has an agenda.  His essential allegation that
the blackout was caused by corporate raiders bent on gouging the
ratepayers, and especially that it was all fomented by George Bush,
father and son, is simply too far-fetched to be believable.  In fact,
in is mostly just a rant.

Now as to the actual event, I am surprised not in the grid collapse, but
that it doesn't collapse more often.  Large power grids are ill understood
and tend under the best of circumstances to be somewhat unstable.
The closer to full capacity they come, the more likely it is that a small
increase in load or a small decrease in supply leads to a collapse.
It is not hard to see why this is the case.

Grid collapse has been endemic since I was an undergraduate EE.
Computers and better models clearly have made it possible to operate
larger grids than there were back in those dark ages, but cannot cope
with all the non-linearities that a big grid presents.  Components do
fail, humans err, and, yes, even computers get the wrong answer
sometimes.

Sure there is a fix -- have plenty of surplus generating and transmission
capacity.  Only one small problem left -- how to pay for it.  The politicians
want to shield the consumer, don't want to pay themselves, and somehow
cannot coerce stockholders into throwing their money into the pot.
Anybody got any real answers out there?

Bob McClure

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