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IP: Re: Internet Wiretapping (fwd)


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 16:28:16 -0400


Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2001 12:23:58 -0700
To: farber () cis upenn edu
From: Jim Warren <jwarren () well com>
Subject: Re: IP: Internet Wiretapping (fwd)

no reasonable expectation of privacy in the identities of
their e-mail correspondents, or the addresses of Web
pages they visit.

Ashcroft said he believed "To:" and "From:" lines of
e-mail could be intercepted without a court order, but
"Subject:" lines would require a judge's signature. "We're
not asking that we get content or the subject," he replied.
"We want information on who sent it and to  whom it was
sent."

BEWARE!  "Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it."

Almost 30 years ago, in the early 1970's, I was chatting with Bill McKeeman, then CIS Chair at UC-Santa Cruz, about possible dissertation topics. As an aside, he mentioned that he had been approached by the FBI, offering him hefty funds to do research on computer-manipulation of "large sparse matrices" -- large numeric arrays with relatively few non-0 entries.

When Bill asked what their intended use was, they told him they wanted to build an association matrix for every pair of citizens in the nation -- where 0 would mean the two had no known contact with each other, 1 would mean that they DID have a known contact directly with each other, 2 would mean they had contact via a mutual friend, etc.

They said they wanted it to track mob connections in organized crime. -*

But that was back when computers were slow and expensive, and had "tiny" storage capacities, by comparison to what we have on our desktops, today.

McKeeman flat turned them down, and didn't even have to explain to me why.

How far down the road to Orwell's Big Brother-Hood, we have traveled, and how quickly we seem eager to continue. But, like the told the tom cat before his operation, "It's for our own good."

--jim
Jim Warren; jwarren () well com, technology & public policy columnist & advocate
345 Swett Rd, Woodside CA 94062; voice/650-851-7075; fax/off due to spam-glut

[self-inflating puffery: Playboy Foundation Hugh Hefner First-Amendment Award;
Soc.of Prof.Journalists-Nor.Calif. James Madison Freedom-of-Information Award;
founded InfoWorld, Dr.Dobb's Journal, and Computers, Freedom & Privacy Confs.;
Electronic Frontier Foundation's Pioneer Award (in its first year), blah blah]


*- But of course, that was also at a time when J. Edgar Hoover was saying there was NO Mafia or organized crime in the USA ... while at the same time conducting massive evesdropping on political and other public figures, sans court orders.

It was a time when the FBI *never* had its proposed budget reduced by members of Congress -- who didn't know what Edgar might have on them (or maybe they DID know), and long after JFK and RFK didn't dare to fire Hoover, even though they hated him and thought of him as a despot.

Hollywood associations were similarly snooped. E.g., Desi first learned that Luci was pregnant via a "friendly" call from J. Edgar, who got the info from one of his wiretaps. And ... while Hoover lived, ALL cop movies portrayed the FBI in only the most-stalwart and righteous terms (even while they were bugging Martin Luther King, Jr.'s intimate bedroom conversations).



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