IP: A direct comment -- RE:So its not the Communists they take first*, its the belligerents?

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

> Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2001 11:10:43 -0500
> To: millheif () yahoo com, dave () farber net
> From: Jean Camp <jean_camp () harvard edu>
>
>
> IT WAS HER RIGHT TO TRAVEL.
>
> Basically Frank thinks that all women should hereby be required to be 
> submissive, lest we be refused the right to travel. We should remain 
> submissive when grabbed, insulted and lectured.
>
> But we should be happy little women because at least we don't have to 
> cover our bodies head to toes, we are allowed to carry our own burqas 
> our  own little submission in our hearts.
>
> Oh, to state the obvious:  People are not 'flagged' for 'random' search. 
> That is why it's RANDOM.
>
> What are we fighting for? One of many many stories from RAWA.org
> --------
> "Turpeki was taking her toddler to the doctor. The child had acute 
> diarrhea and needed to be seen by a doctor soon. Turpeki was dressed in a 
> borqa.
>    She reached the market area when a teen-aged Taliban guard noticed 
> her. The guard called her. Turpeki knew that if she stopped she would be beaten
>    for appearing in public. She was also frightened that her child might 
> die if she did not hurry. She began to run. The Taliban guard aimed his
>    Kalashnikov at her and fired several rounds. Turpeki was hit but did 
> not die. People intervened and took the mother and the child to the doctor.
>    Turpeki's family then complained to the Taliban leaders. But were 
> simply told that it had been the woman's fault. She should not have been
>    appearing in public in the first place; once she did, she should stop, 
> when told so, and not run away." .... "The young woman was carrying her baby,
>    her two friends walking beside her. All three were veiled, their faces 
> completely hidden from view. Suddenly a passing car braked to a halt and two
>    men jumped out. From the style of their turbans, wrapped round their 
> heads with one end loose and hanging almost down to the waist, it was clear
>    they were the Taliban from Kandahar. .... Each was brandishing a 
> stick. They set about beating the women on the legs as their arms rose 
> and fell, they
>    shouted that the women should never come out in public dressed in such 
> immoral fashion again. A few inches of bare leg were showing above the
>    women's ankles between their shoes and the bottom of their 
> pajama-style trousers. .... The women with the baby staggered and swayed 
> beneath the
>    blows, desperately trying to stay upright. None of the three dared to 
> utter a sound as the sticks whipped their legs. Then the men got back in 
> the car
>    and drove off. The incident lasted less than five minutes, but it was 
> sufficiently brutal to leave the women quaking as they limped silently away."
>
> ---------
>
> Sounds like Frank thinks maybe they have it right. Because any woman who 
> is not submissive must be belligerent.  That is quite the old chestnut. 
> "Be nice or it is your own fault what happens" And if you are nice you are 
> trod upon and hear that you should speak up.
>
> -Jean
>
> At 9:47 -0500 11/4/01, David Farber wrote:
> > > From: "frank millheim jr" <millheif () yahoo com>
> > > To: <dave () farber net>
> > >
> > >
> > > Perhaps things are a little out of focus.  I once copped attitude with a
> > > federal agent at the Canadian border and thus had a very unpleasant
> > > experience.  I could claim it was because I voted for Ross Perot, but
> > > that would be plain silly.
> > >
> > > You will note that the press release is deceptive.  And I quote:
> > >
> > > > "An official told me that my name had been flagged in the computer," a
> > > > shaken Oden said. "I was targeted because the Green Party USA opposes
> > > the
> > > > bombing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan."
> > >
> > > Now, according to this quote, her name had been flagged by the computer.
> > > She then *assumes* the next line. She does not say that *anyone* told
> > > her that.  She could have been flagged for any number of reasons,
> > > including random search.  I would like to know whether she started a
> > > scene after being asked to be searched -- if she did, that would explain
> > > why she was not allowed to fly.  That is pretty much the way things are
> > > going to be for a while at our airports, like it or not.
> >
> >
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>
>
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