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IP: Back to the books! (was second this motion)
From: David Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:50:55 -0400
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:31:38 -0700 To: farber () cis upenn edu From: Ari Ollikainen <Ari () OLTECO com>Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:57:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Kenneth Hoffman <a025300t () bc seflin org> Subject: Re: IP: Pseudo science at work. Where is the Exon station from telecom digest To: David Farber <farber () cis upenn edu> Prof. Farber If the gas companies are so concerned at the "possible" risk from personal communication devices. Why don't they force the car companies to install devices to prevent an overflow during fill-up. With the flash point of gasoline at 70deg. F, I would be more concerned that a spark or explosion would occur from gas coming into contact with a hot exhaust system. Kenneth R. Hoffman, II Email: mailto:a025300t () bc seflin orgFlash point, on the whole, doesn't mean a lot in this latest Luddite fear...HOWEVER, it's at least instructive to examine the mechanism involved: Flashpoint is the lowest temperature at which a material gives off enough flammable vapor to produce a momentary flash when exposed to a small flame. (note that the "flame" in question has to be co-located with the flammable vapor). The flash point of gasoline is -43 deg. C (-45 deg. F), which is the reason it is considered highly flammable. There is a minimum ratio of hydrocarbon vapor to air, below which ignition will not occur. Alternately, there is also a maximum ratio of hydrocarbon vapor to air, at which ignition will not occur. These limits are termed the lower and upper explosive limits. For gasoline vapor, the explosive range is from 1.3 to 6.0% vapor to air. If you think the requisite explosive vapor ratio exists in the average automotive refueling situation...then be fearful, be very fearful when you turn the ignition key to start your car. Spilling raw fuel on the ground and making a cell phone call won't blow you up...really! OLTECO Ari Ollikainen P.O. BOX 3688 Networking Architecture and Technology Stanford, CA Ari () OLTECO com 94309-3688 415.517.3519
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