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IP: Back to the books! (was second this motion)


From: David Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 11:50:55 -0400



Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:31:38 -0700
To: farber () cis upenn edu
From: Ari Ollikainen <Ari () OLTECO com>


Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:57:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kenneth Hoffman <a025300t () bc seflin org>
Subject: Re: IP: Pseudo science at work. Where is the Exon station 
from telecom digest
To: David Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>

Prof. Farber

If the gas companies are so concerned at the "possible" risk from personal
communication devices.  Why don't they force the car companies to install
devices to prevent an overflow during fill-up.


With the flash point of gasoline at 70deg. F, I would be more concerned
that a spark or explosion would occur from gas coming into contact with a
hot exhaust system.

Kenneth R. Hoffman, II
Email:  mailto:a025300t () bc seflin org


      Flash point, on the whole, doesn't mean a lot in this latest
      Luddite fear...HOWEVER, it's at least instructive to examine
      the mechanism involved:

      Flashpoint is the lowest temperature at which a material gives off
      enough flammable vapor to produce a momentary flash when exposed to a
      small flame. (note that the "flame" in question has to be co-located
      with the flammable vapor). The flash point of gasoline is -43 deg. C
      (-45 deg. F), which is the reason it is considered highly flammable.

      There is a minimum ratio of hydrocarbon vapor to air, below which
      ignition will not occur. Alternately, there is also a maximum ratio
      of hydrocarbon vapor to air, at which ignition will not occur. These
      limits are termed the lower and upper explosive limits. For gasoline
      vapor, the explosive range is from 1.3 to 6.0% vapor to air.

      If you think the requisite explosive vapor ratio exists in the
      average automotive refueling situation...then be fearful, be very
      fearful when you turn the ignition key to start your car.

      Spilling raw fuel on the ground and making a cell phone call
      won't blow you up...really!


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