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From: Dave Farber <farber () cis upenn edu>
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 1998 16:12:58 -0500

Watch what you say online that is negative ESPECIALLY in Canada  djf




Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 10:57:37 -0400
From: Dave Banisar <dbanisar () epic org>
To: Declan McCullagh <declan () well com>,
Subject: Fwd: Canadian Court Order on Anonymity


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/docs/news/19980710/ROBFront/rphil.html

Philip wins court orders to get names

Seeks identities behind critics on the Internet

Friday, July 10, 1998
By Janet Mcfarland
The Globe and Mail

Philip Services Corp. has been granted 12 court orders to obtain
names of critics who have posted negative comments on the
Internet.

The cases are certain to have a chilling effect on the hundreds of
investors who post messages daily to chat groups discussing the
pros and cons of numerous publicly traded companies. Most of the
discussions are conducted using pseudonyms, and Philip is believed
to be the first Canadian company to obtain an identity from an
Internet access provider through a court order.

John Gallagher, who has posted messages about Hamilton-based
Philip on the Internet, said yesterday that he was not informed
that Philip was seeking his name until after the information was
released by his Internet provider, Weslink Datalink Corp. of
Hamilton.

Weslink provided the information to Philip yesterday morning after
being served with a court order signed by Mr. Justice Nicholas
Borkovich of the Ontario Court's General Division in Hamilton.

"I didn't know that was happening. I wasn't in any position to
offer any opinion," Mr. Gallagher said yesterday. "It was
blindsiding."

Philip is pursuing similar cases with numerous other Internet
access providers.

Nadir Desai, chief executive officer of the Canadian subsidiary of
PsiNet Inc. of Herndon, Va., said he could not discuss continuing
legal action involving Philip because his company's case has not
yet been resolved. But Mr. Desai said PsiNet will pursue the case
in the courts.

"We're wandering into uncharted territory here," he said. "This is
something that the legal system has to work through, because never
before has this type of technology been involved to do what one
person might consider to be abusive and another person might
consider to be freedom of speech."

Philip's action follows months of comment, criticism and
speculation about the industrial waste recycling company posted on
the Yahoo Inc. message board by investors and others watching the
company. Philip has struggled with losses of $126.3-million
(U.S.), a copper trading scandal and the departure of most of its
senior managers.

Philip spokeswoman Lynda Kuhn said the company warned offending
writers on the Internet in June that it would pursue legal action
if they didn't stop making what the company considers defamatory
comments about Philip.

"We've been quite clear that there obviously is absolute
entitlement to freedom of speech and people are free to criticize
any company and discuss the company and its performance," she
said. "But when it gets to the point of out-and-out defamation,
stalking, ethnic slurs, forms of sexual harassment, it's going
beyond anything that's acceptable."

Although the messages have been posted on a message board
maintained by Yahoo Inc. of Santa Clara, Calif., Philip has turned
to Internet access providers to find out the identities of
posters.

Philip initially received an order on June 27 requiring Weslink to
turn over the name of an anonymous poster, but the order was
granted ex parte, which means neither Weslink nor the writer was
represented in court by a lawyer.

Weslink had the order amended at a July 7 hearing, but was
compelled to release the name to Philip.

Weslink said in a statement yesterday that it treats client
information confidentially and said it only releases data when
served with a court order.

The company said it notified Mr. Gallagher as soon as it was
legally allowed to do so under the terms of the court order, and
did not comply with the original order until it had some of the
terms amended.

For example, the original order did not allow Weslink to tell Mr.
Gallagher at any time that his name had been provided to Philip.
The second order allowed Weslink to notify him after his name was
given to Philip.

In the order seeking information from Weslink, Philip lists 26
Internet names it is trying to identify. Three of the aliases
belong to Mr. Gallagher, a former Hamilton city councillor who has
been involved in public disputes over pollution in Hamilton
harbour and other issues.

The only writer identified by name on the list is Paul Palango, a
freelance journalist who has had a history of legal disputes with
Philip. Mr. Palango, a former editor at The Globe and Mail, said
yesterday that he has posted to the Yahoo site under his real name
and has not used an alias.

Mr. Palango said he doesn't know why Philip is pursuing the court
order against himself and other chat group writers, and said he
doesn't know what Philip plans to do with the information.

"One has to wonder what's going on at Philip when they have all
the problems they have, and they're attacking selected aliases on
the Internet and spending all this energy on it," he said.

Mr. Palango said he believes most of the Internet chat has been
fair comment about the company's problems, and has not been
libellous.

Mr. Gallagher said he chose to make his postings anonymously
because he was concerned about repercussions in Hamilton and
because he believed he was being followed by someone who might
pose a threat to his physical safety.




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