Re: Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to find their own bugs

["Larry Seltzer" <larry () larryseltzer com>]

Yeah, I did point out that Apple does do this work. I think Dino Dai
Zovi (Charlie's co-author on their book) noted that.

Obviously if Charlie can find 20 critical bugs in OS X just by fuzzing
for 3 weeks on a few computers then Apple's not doing enough. Perhaps
the problem is that they're *only* looking at the source code.

LJS

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Esler [mailto:joel.esler () me com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 8:20 AM
To: Larry Seltzer
Cc: Juha-Matti Laurio; funsec () linuxbox org
Subject: Re: [funsec] Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to
find their own bugs

Apple does too.  Ever read the security vulnerabilities for the "Credit"
line?  Look how many say "Apple".  A bunch.

Perhaps they just aren't looking the same places as Charlie.  That's
all.  You know, they only have access to the multiple millions lines of
code they maintain for all their products...

J

On Mar 27, 2010, at 7:58 AM, Larry Seltzer wrote:

> I wrote about this myself a little while ago:
http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2009/12/does_microsoft_look_for_vul
> ner.php
>
> Microsoft puts a lot of effort into security research for products
under
> development. But once the product ships they stop looking. Alex
Sotirov
> pointed out that Microsoft's customers, by paying iDefense and
> TippingPoint and the like, end up paying for research Microsoft should
> be doing. Perhaps Microsoft is also a customer of these companies, I
> don't know. 
>
> LJS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org]
> On Behalf Of Juha-Matti Laurio
> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:24 AM
> To: funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: [funsec] Miller, Pwn2Own's winner tells Apple, Microsoft to
> find their own bugs
http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9174120/Pwn2Own_winner_tells_Appl
> e_Microsoft_to_find_their_own_bugs
>
> "The only researcher to "three-peat" at the Pwn2Own hacking contest
said
> today that security is
> such a "broken record" that he won't hand over 20 vulnerabilities he's
> found in Apple's,
> Adobe's and Microsoft's software.
>
> Instead Charlie Miller will show the vendors how to find the bugs
> themselves.
>
> Miller, who yesterday exploited Safari on a MacBook Pro notebook
running
> Snow Leopard to win $10,000 in the hacking challenge,
> said he's tired of the lack of progress in security. "We find a bug,
> they patch it," said Miller.
> "We find another bug, they patch it. That doesn't improve the security
> of the product."
>
> Juha-Matti
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