Re: Apple has a new toy

[Joel Esler <eslerj () gmail com>]

Oh come on Dan, let me live in my fantasy, you know, the one where it all
works out in the end...

J

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Dan Kaminsky <dan () doxpara com> wrote:

> Hahahahahahahaha
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> On Feb 2, 2010, at 5:56 PM, Joel Esler <eslerj () gmail com> wrote:
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> Flash is dead.  HTML5 will render it obsolete. Heck, you can even use
> youtube via html5 now and it's far superior.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/html5>www.youtube.com/html5
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> J
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> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Alex Eckelberry <<AlexE () sunbelt-software com>
> AlexE () sunbelt-software com> wrote:
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> >  I agree with your points.
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> > I’m not an Apple guy (at all).
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> > But I’m dammed impressed with this Ipad.
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> >
> > (Yeah, the Flash things sucks, but whatever, it’s what it is.)
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> > Alex
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> > *From:* <funsec-bounces () linuxbox org>funsec-bounces () linuxbox org [mailto:<funsec-bounces () linuxbox org>
> > funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] *On Behalf Of *Joel Esler
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:24 AM
> > *To:* Dan Kaminsky
> >
> > *Cc:* < <funsec () linuxbox org>funsec () linuxbox org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [funsec] Apple has a new toy
> >
> >
> >
> > My point in saying that was that Windows 7, with touch controls is not a
> > touch OS.  If you've tried to use Windows 7 with your finger, it's
> > essentially a mouse pointer under your finger.  It's inelegant,
> > it's imprecise, and hard to use.  Apple took the time to figure out how
> > people would use an OS that is touch, and they invented the iPhone and the
> > iPod touch and continually refine it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Make no bones about it, I'm an Apple guy, and apologist.  I've used
> > Windows Vista and Windows 7 with touch enabled on a touch device, and it's
> > not even close to the experience that you get on an iPhone or any of the
> > future Apple devices that will be touch enabled (not just the iPad, but the
> > Macbooks).
> >
> >
> >
> > A touch OS is different from a regular OS.  A regular OS you navigate with
> > a keyboard and mouse, a touch OS you navigate with your finger, (or several
> > fingers).  You can do things in a touch OS that you can't do in a regular OS
> > and Microsoft has not figured that out.  yet.  Even if you use natural
> > devices like ink (a pen based device to navigate your OS), it's still a
> > "mouse pointer".
> >
> >
> >
> > Not saying they won't.  But they will.  We are on the edge of OS
> > development.  We are going away from the "folder" "file icon" type of OS and
> > computers that you navigate with your keyboard and mouse into a whole new
> > field of OSes and devices.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Dan Kaminsky < <dan () doxpara com>
> > dan () doxpara com> wrote:
> >
> > What's the bright line?
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> >
> > On Feb 2, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Joel Esler < <eslerj () gmail com>
> > eslerj () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >  But Windows 7, despite what MSFT is trying to do, is not a touch OS.
> >  The iPhone OS *is* a touch OS.
> >
> >
> >
> > J
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Dragos Ruiu < <dr () kyx net>dr () kyx net>
> > wrote:
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> >
> > On 28-Jan-10, at 3:06 PM, Hubbard, Dan wrote:
> >
> > The gOOglePAD will have flash support, but it most likely will be a fake
> > codec.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Nokia minilaptop, which I just finally saw/held a real version of, is
> > at about the
> > same price point as the iPad, runs Win7 and has a 3G connection but has
> > real kb.
> > They are in the same weight range and I would argue are competing for the
> > same
> > usage/market.
> >
> > cheers,
> > --dr
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