Re: maybe it's not over- climategate

[Michael Collins <mcollins () aleae com>]

Mother Earth is a heartless bitch, as any photograph of a cat penis  
will inform you.

What's more relevant is that our existence is a brief fragile flash of  
coincidence in an infinite universe of hostility, and pretending that  
our stability is the natural state of affairs rather than a hard- 
fought and hard-won exploitation of accidents is to invite disaster.   
We're not saving the *environment* -  the cockroaches will continue on  
quite happily, and I'm sure something will evolve that'll thrive in a  
venus-like environment.

This is about saving *us* - I'm in this for Kona Coffee, the last act  
of the 9th symphony and seeing the Steelers win another ring.


On Dec 9, 2009, at 9:28 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:

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> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 2:59 PM,  <chris () blask org> wrote:
>
> > My friends who are solidly on the Right are determined that we are  
> > either
> > incapable of impacting climate, that these is no such thing or that  
> > it's
> > all a Communist Plot.  They vomit data (even WND "data", shame on you
> > Randy) and opinions and shake angry fingers to prove their points -  
> > which
> > are mostly about a Coming Socialist Takeover.  Frankly I think they  
> > have
> > some points as far as questioning the extent of human impact and our
> > ability to forecast, but the wild paranoid conspiracy ranting makes  
> > it
> > hard to take seriously.
> >
> > I guess I get the basic political alignment - since we are all  
> > embedded
> > in it, "climate" tends towards group-oriented politics: since it  
> > triggers
> > group-oriented politics, it triggers counter-groupism responses -  
> > but the
> > stridency and dedication to the points along political boundaries  
> > still
> > puzzle me.  Doesn't anyone care what the real answer(s) is/are?  What
> > would happen to the political Losing Side if/when this is more
> > definitively answered?  If (as seems majority opinion) mankind is  
> > having
> > an effect on climate does it mean the complete collapse of political
> > conservatism - even though it would mean we really do need to do
> > something about it?  If it turns out that we can double our carbon  
> > output
> > four more times without harm (as Martin suggests), would the liberals
> > throw themselves off cliffs in droves - even though it would mean a
> > reprieve from looming disaster?
> >
> > I'm just interested in seeing that we continue to increase our
> > understanding of (climate, biology, etc).  My political opinions  
> > aren't
> > threatened no matter what researchers discover or propose.  I don't
> > understand the eagerness of either side to find proof that the  
> > world is
> > either ending any minute or that we should be free to pollute without
> > restriction.
> >
> > It's more than a little creepy from both sides.
>
> Regardless of the arguments on either side, we should all endeavor  
> to take
> better care of Mother Earth.
>
> You can only poison it so much before [insert pedantic issue here].
>
> - - ferg
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