Re: CyberWar as Declaration of War

[bob harley <bobb.harley () gmail com>]

Marcus Ranum's "Cyberwar is Bullshit" gives a unique view of the Cyberwar
idea: http://www.vimeo.com/3519680. He boils it down to those likely to use
the attack vector in the cyber arena are the ones who are likely to win
anyway, so what's the point. The cyber espionage facet is also on the table.
Of course, the Chinese had some ill effects from a computer virus last year:
http://www.thedarkvisitor.com/2008/11/pla-armor-brigade-exercise-fails-due-to-computer-virus/
.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 11:53 AM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:24:53 CST, RandallM said:
>
> > when will this be recognized as such?
>
> Formal declarations of war are *soooo* 20th Century.  Mostly because
> it's pretty damned obvious that there's a war on when 3 divisions of
> infantry and a division of heavy armored roll across the border.  And if
> there *aren't* a few divisions crossing the border, a "Declaration of War"
> is only a "Declaration of Highly Miffed".
>
> You know what *else* besides "cyberwar" is random, disorganized, mostly
> opportunistic drive-by's of targets doing no *real* damage and nobody takes
> public responsibility for? Graffiti.
>
> When we see a cyber-based attack that does as much *actual damage* as
> a military invasion, then we'll talk.  Even something Panama or Grenada
> sized:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Grenada
>
> Till then, it's not cyber-war, it's cyber-graffiti.
>
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