Re: Former General of all American Intelligence giving a commentary about Pentagon airplane on 9/11

[Tom Vest <tvest () pch net>]

Well, Stubblebine should know -- he's had supernatural sources for  
decades...
(c.f., near the end of the article copied below)

TV

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Art Levine, Charles Fenyvesi, and Steven Emerson, "The Twilight Zone  
in Washington."
U.S. News & World Report ( Vol. 105, No. 22: December 5, 1988, p. 24).

HIGHLIGHT: There are some important people in government who have  
enlisted psychics' help

It turns out that Nancy Reagan has plenty of good company. Last May,  
she was the butt of jokes around the world after it was revealed that  
she routinely consulted with a San Francisco astrologer about  
presidential-scheduling decisions. Former White House Chief of Staff  
Donald Regan, who made the revelations, derided the scheduling as a  
"long-established floating seance." Despite such digs and skepticism  
from mainstream scientists, there is extensive interest in psychic  
phenomena (called psi) in Washington. "At any given time, about one  
fourth of the members of Congress are actively interested in psi, be  
that healing, prophecy, remote viewing or physical manifestation of  
psychic powers [such as bending spoons or erasing computer tapes],"  
according to Representative Charlie Rose (D-N.C.). He is an eight-term  
veteran who founded the Congressional Clearinghouse on the Future, a  
forum that has given some psychics a platform in the capital.

"Sharpening intuitive powers." Most legislators and aides interested  
in psychic phenomena will not go public for fear of being ridiculed.  
Another fear among politicians is that they would be condemned by  
fundamentalists as being in league with the devil. But sources say  
that the capital's many psi aficionados satisfy their curiosity in the  
Eerie Zone by privately consulting with seers and discussing the  
subject with like-minded colleagues.

For instance, Speaker of the House Jim Wright (D-Tex.) and his wife  
Betty have attended classes and lectures that teach techniques of  
prophecy. According to one congressional source, "Jim thinks he has a  
great future, and he is interested in sharpening his intuitive powers  
to anticipate and shape the future." Anne Gehman, a Fairfax, Va.,  
psychic who says she evaluated him, claims Wright has strong psychic  
gifts that he has developed in recent years. Wright's office denies he  
had extensive contacts with Gehman, insisting he only saw her lecture  
in Georgetown once or twice several years ago.

There has also been a long-running interest in some military and  
intelligence circles with psychic research. But advocates of such  
research fear that government aid for future studies might be  
jeopardized following release of an Army-funded National Academy of  
Sciences study last December that found no laboratory evidence that  
psi was real or that research in psi merited Army funding. The  
committee, established by the NAS's research arm, the National  
Research Council, looked at the best-documented psychic phenomena,  
including remote viewing (RV) and psychokinesis (moving objects with  
mind power), as part of a wide-ranging study. The panel found that the  
laboratory studies of psi were plagued by sloppy methodology and  
inadequate security against fraud. Psychic proponents denounced the  
panel as biased and dominated by skeptics.

Whatever the outcome of that debate, there is clear evidence,  
according to knowledgeable sources, that psychics have played  
important roles in some key government circles:

* The Pentagon continues to fund small-scale classified psychic  
research at SRI International, formerly Stanford Research Institute, a  
think tank in Menlo Park, Calif., while the Central Intelligence  
Agency and the Pentagon monitor Soviet work in this area.

* The U.S. military and CIA have occasionally used psychics to spy on  
Soviet weaponry and Gen. Manuel Noriega and to find terrorists and  
hostages in Iran and other countries.

* The Federal Bureau of Investigation has hosted lectures to police  
officers by psychic Noreen Renier at its Quantico, Va., training  
center. She impressed her listeners by predicting in January, 1981,  
that there would be an assassination attempt on President Reagan in  
the spring, which indeed took place. FBI agents subsequently  
recommended her to local police departments, according to court  
documents and law-enforcement sources. FBI spokeswoman Kathy Bradford  
says, "The FBI doesn't use psychics to solve cases." But, she adds,  
"if they [local departments] want a psychic, we'll help anybody who  
needs help."

Communicating with the dead. In addition to seeking help in this  
world, some legislators, congressional aides and government officials  
have sought spiritual guidance. Senator Claiborne Pell (D-R.I.),  
chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is the most vocal  
advocate of psychic research on Capitol Hill. He has had an interest  
in the supernatural since his college days, when he considered  
becoming a minister. His bookcase in his private Capitol office is a  
testament to his fascination, with shelves crammed with such books as  
The Astral Body, which examines "out-of-body experiences," and the  
works of Shirley MacLaine. Pell notes that as he has gotten older he  
has become increasingly absorbed by the question of life after death.  
At times, he has sought to communicate with dead relatives. "I've been  
to mediums," he says, "but nothing has happened." He adds, with  
regret, "I don't have these [psychic] powers."

Nevertheless, from his readings and talks with researchers, Pell  
believes that there are genuine psychics. "Psychic claims are  
important, and they shouldn't be ridiculed or spoofed at," Pell says.  
"They should be studied." His office has been urging the National  
Science Foundation, the Defense Department and other government  
agencies to fund far more psychic research. He also asked for the  
skeptical NAS study to be withdrawn because of its alleged bias. But  
his efforts have met with little success.

Pell's interest in psi is so strong that he has had a full-time aide,  
former naval intelligence officer C.B. Scott Jones, whose primary  
responsibility for 3 1/2 years has been to monitor and encourage  
"consciousness" research, including studies of psychic phenomena.  
Indeed, Pell says, Jones "screens" psychics for him. In his off hours,  
Jones helped arrange at least one session in which efforts were made  
to contact dead Soviet leaders. According to some accounts by psychic  
activists, the aim was to encourage these ghostly dictators to bombard  
the minds of living Soviet leaders with thoughts of peace. Jones will  
not discuss details. He will only say, "It was a very private  
experiment. We closed it down. We felt it was unnecessary." He adds,  
"This has nothing to do with the senator or my job." And in the spring  
of 1986, Jones invited psychic buffs, including some Pentagon  
officials, to his home to hear a tape recording of "spirit" voices and  
messages, according to sources who attended the meeting. The tape has  
been obtained by U.S. News. The purported spirit-world communications  
ranged from William Randolph Hearst discoursing on power to a long- 
dead physics professor saying, in robotlike tones, "I love fried  
cabbage."

Pell's own pursuits have not been as unusual as his aide's, but he has  
offered psychic Uri Geller platforms to demonstrate his skills. They  
first met in a London hotel in 1986, where Geller impressed Pell by  
bending spoons and duplicating a drawing Pell made, apparently without  
looking at Pell's sketch. As mementos, Pell keeps in his Capitol  
office the bent spoon and two drawings of a smiling, happy face.  
Though Geller has even been denounced by some psychic advocates as a  
charlatan, Pell says that he remains impressed, adding with a touch of  
self-mocking irony, "I'm a sucker."

Sucker or not, Pell has arranged for Geller to perform mind-reading  
stunts at high-powered Washington gatherings, and in Geneva, where,  
Geller claims, he beamed peaceful thoughts into the mind of Yuli  
Vorontsov, the Soviet arms negotiator. The next day, Geller notes, the  
Soviets offered to eliminate medium-range missiles from Europe.

"Psychic Manhattan Project." Rose's interest in psi stems from his  
desire to harness it for foreign and military policy. After he joined  
the House Select Committee on Intelligence in 1977, he became  
fascinated by CIA-backed remote-viewing experiments, which involve  
alleged psychic ability to describe sites and even documents at long  
distances. At one point, he advocated a "psychic Manhattan Project"  
for RV and other mental techniques. He now favors sharing information  
on psi with the Soviets and Chinese because of changes he sees in  
Communist societies.

Rose's positive view of psychic abilities has been quietly shared by  
some other congressmen and influential political leaders including at  
least one Reagan cabinet member, ambassadors and numerous politicians,  
psychic sources and other witnesses say. One congressman interviewed  
and evaluated about 20 psychics, who were brought to his office one by  
one and tested by a staffer, according to Milton Friedman, former  
speech writer to President Ford and a senior aide to Senator Jacob  
Javits (R-N.Y.) in the 1970s. Some did surprisingly well and others  
struck out.

The government's use of psychics has focused on military matters. In  
the late 1960s, for example, the CIA was ordered to get a picture of a  
new Soviet rocket, according to a CIA source. Stumped, the agency  
hired a Chicago truckdriver who had a reputation for being able to  
cause images of objects many miles away to appear on a photo negative  
held against his forehead. The photo produced by the truckdriver  
showed details that enabled the CIA to pinpoint the way a booster was  
strapped to the rocket.

The truckdriver was a "messy, disagreeable fellow" who insisted on  
drinking a lot of beer before he delivered his pictures, recalls the  
official. But the rocket image turned out to be accurate, and the  
experiment raised a lot of interest. "Most people were skeptical,"  
says the official, "but the truckdriver's work was not dismissed as a  
trick. There was enough evidence to validate further study, but there  
was never enough to prove that psychic research is a reliable, useful  
tool for intelligence purposes." Even the most talented psychics, the  
CIA official says, tended to lose their powers over time and were not  
consistently accurate.

Systematic, multimillion-dollar experiments began in the 1970s, when  
Pentagon and CIA officials became increasingly alarmed over Soviet  
research in the field. And some of the conclusions of analysts in the  
Defense Intelligence Agency, CIA and Army make for scary reading. A  
1972 DIA report warned that the Soviets might someday be able at a  
distance to control the thoughts of U.S. leaders, disable military  
equipment and even "cause the instant death of any U.S. official." One  
problem with these reports, some analysts outside the military say, is  
that they lack scientific documentation and may even unwittingly  
subscribe to Soviet disinformation.

Remote viewing. Since the 1970s, the U.S. has focused primarily on  
researching remote viewing. The work has been subsidized at SRI, the  
California think tank, by the CIA, DIA and other government agencies,  
sources familiar with the research say. Details of the current work  
are classified, and the director of the research, Ed May, declined to  
comment. Military support for SRI's psychic research is estimated to  
be a few hundred thousand dollars annually. The researchers at SRI  
have claimed nearly a 70 percent accuracy rate for their remote- 
viewing tests. In a typical experiment, a psychic is closeted in a  
laboratory and asked to describe an undisclosed locale that is being  
visited by SRI researchers. His descriptions are then compared with  
the actual site. Over the years, there have also been several  
published reports about the U.S. using SRI's psychics to spy on such  
things as a Soviet nuclear facility. However, last December, the  
National Academy of Sciences panel found the case for remote viewing  
to be "virtually nonexistent."

Yet true believers as well as desperate pragmatists in government have  
turned to psychics in emergencies posed by counterterrorism and  
espionage, according to government officials and psychic researchers.  
Some highlights:

* The families of American hostages in Lebanon have employed psychics  
to provide information, and some of these visions occasionally have  
drifted into weekly reports filed with President Reagan by the  
National Security Council about the hostages' whereabouts, sources say.

* In 1980, government officials asked a psychic hired by SRI to  
describe the health of hostages held in the Teheran embassy. The  
psychic, according to some accounts, was accurate regarding Richard  
Queen, a multiple-sclerosis victim Iran eventually released in July,  
1980. But one former White House official familiar with the incident  
recalls: "I was unimpressed," because the psychic's description of  
Queen's condition was vague

* Psychics were extensively used in the planning of a projected  
Iranian rescue operation following the debacle of Desert One in April,  
1980, as well as in late 1983 during an operation to track down those  
responsible for the deaths of the 241 U.S. servicemen killed by a  
suicide bomber in Lebanon. But the missions were never carried out,  
and the psychics' reports could not be confirmed.

* In the early 1980s, sources say, the Army's Intelligence and  
Security Command (INSCOM), under the direction of psychic believer  
Gen. Albert Stubblebine arranged for psychics to describe the interior  
of the home of General Noriega, who was then suspected of drug  
trafficking and other crimes. The U.S. counterintelligence operatives  
in Panama who were given the psychics' top-secret two-page report  
never corroborated it because they were spotted by Noriega's guards  
before entering his home.

The future of such official use of psychics is cloudy, though it is  
likely that there will always be those who will turn to psychics in  
emergencies when other recourses have failed. It is even more certain  
that government leaders in Washington, like many citizens in other  
parts of the country, will continue to be drawn to the mystery of psi.

***

On Jul 10, 2009, at 4:05 PM, Richard Golodner wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 22:15 +0300, Juha-Matti Laurio wrote:
> > http://www.voltairenet.org/article160890.html
>       I am no conspiracy theorist, but what the General had to say was  
> pretty
> disturbing. I watched the buildings collapse on T.V. and thought it  
> odd
> that they collapsed in on themselves rather than falling to one side  
> or
> another. It looked to me more like a professional demolition job  
> rather
> than something caused by an airliner.
>       What is more interesting is that the Bushes and Bin-Ladens go way  
> back
> doing business deals. The unfortunate part of all of this is that
> innocent Americans lost their lives and more than likely we will never
> know the complete truth.
>       I think this ties into why we are supposed to believe that the North
> Koreans are responsible for the DDoS attacks against US agencies and
> sites in South Korea. as the General said, the media is no longer free
> to report the truth and is hand fed information to manipulate the  
> people
> of America and their allies. I can't count how many times i have  
> seen on
> the news that the North Koreans are responsible. Where is the proof?
>       My two cents, and quite possibly wrong too. Will we ever know?
>       Most sincerely, Richard
>
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