RE: U.S. Government Lawyer Defends Wiretapping Program

["StyleWar" <stylewar () cox net>]

Is your argument that because the vulnerability has never been exploited
that there is therefore no weakness?

Because I'm pretty sure the day they flew those planes into the towers
wasn't the first time anyone had thought of it.

-

StyleWar

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to 
have for lunch. LIBERTY is a well-armed lamb contesting 
the vote!" 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org 
> [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Richard M. Smith
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:59 AM
> To: funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: RE: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends 
> Wiretapping Program
>
> Folks have been concerned with "Loose Nukes" from Russia 
> getting into the hands of terrorists ever since the Soviet 
> Union broke apart:
>
> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nukes/
>
> Richard
>
> PS. OTOH, Russian suitcase nukes are an urban legend. 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: StyleWar [mailto:stylewar () cox net]
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:28 PM
> To: 'Drsolly'
> Cc: 'Richard M. Smith'; funsec () linuxbox org
> Subject: RE: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends 
> Wiretapping Program
>
> I think my point was that it might be easier to obtain a nuke 
> within the next 5 years....and at that point, it's no more 
> outrageous or 'sensational'
> than the 9/11 plan was before it happened.
>
> In essence - we ought to stop calling a nuclear terrorist 
> threat sensational... it isn't, and if you think it is now, 
> you ought to wake up and smell the coffee brewing in Tehran.
>
> -
>
> StyleWar
>
> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have 
> for lunch. LIBERTY is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" 
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Drsolly [mailto:drsollyp () drsolly com]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:05 AM
> > To: StyleWar
> > Cc: 'Richard M. Smith'; funsec () linuxbox org
> > Subject: RE: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends Wiretapping 
> > Program
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Sep 2006, StyleWar wrote:
> >
> > > A nuke in the states isn't any more far fetched than 3 
> fully loaded 
> > > passenger jets putting the Pentagon into flames and 
> collapsing both 
> > > world trade center towers was in the year 2000.
> >
> > Flying jets into buildings, requires some flying lessons, 20 aline 
> > tickets and a few box cutters.
> >
> > Acquiring a nuke is a lot more difficult than buying 
> airline tickets.
> >  
> > > Especially when one considers the context of present-day
> > Iran, which
> > > has publicly addressed the United States as The Great
> > Satan. They are
> > > actively pursuing nuclear capabilities, and will be there
> > during the
> > > next President's term...The only questions are:
> > >
> > > 1. How would they keep the planning of it secret, while
> > coordinating
> > > delivery?
> > > &
> > > 2. Which port would they put it into?
> > >
> > > The answer to question number one has EVERYTHING to do 
> with the NSA 
> > > telephone monitoring program...
> >
> >   ... unless people avoid using the phone for this stuff.
> >
> > > and although I'm absolutely confident of my minority 
> status on this 
> > > list, I'm sad to see it being hung out to dry.
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > StyleWar
> > >
> > >                   "Do big things"
> > >   
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org
> > > > [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of 
> Richard M. Smith
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:06 AM
> > > > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > > > Subject: RE: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends 
> Wiretapping 
> > > > Program
> > > >
> > > > Tony can be contacted here at this email address:  
> > > > tony.coppolino () usdoj gov
> > > >
> > > > A terrorist nuke sounds pretty far fetched to me.  I also
> > don't know
> > > > what it has to do with the current NSA telephone monitoring 
> > > > programs.
> > > >
> > > > However, I'm curious about Tony's views on how the U.S. 
> > > > government would handle an anonymous tip that a nuke had been 
> > > > smuggled into DC and no one had a clue if the tip was 
> true or not.
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: funsec-bounces () linuxbox org
> > > > [mailto:funsec-bounces () linuxbox org] On Behalf Of Fergie
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:42 PM
> > > > To: funsec () linuxbox org
> > > > Subject: [funsec] U.S. Government Lawyer Defends
> > Wiretapping Program
> > > > Via The Boston Globe (AP).
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > A government lawyer used a dramatic scenario of a nuclear
> > attack on
> > > > Washington to illustrate his arguments Tuesday in defense of 
> > > > President Bush's warrantless wiretapping program.
> > > >
> > > > Anthony Coppolino, a special litigation counsel based in
> > Washington,
> > > > said the Constitution gives Bush the right as commander
> > in chief to
> > > > do what is necessary to surveil terrorists and stop them from 
> > > > attacking the United States, including interrogating 
> someone who 
> > > > might have information about an imminent attack.
> > > >
> > > > [snip]
> > > >
> > > > More:
> > > > http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/09/05/wiretap_
> > > > program_justif
> > > > ied_lawyer_says/
> > > >
> > > > p.s. Just as you would expect an attorney for the U.S. to do
> > > > -- dramatize the situation to get a point across. YMMV. :-)
> > > >
> > > > - ferg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
> > > >  Engineering Architecture for the Internet
> > fergdawg(at)netzero.net
> > > > ferg's tech blog:
> > > > http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
> > > >
> > > >
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