Re: RE: [privacy] Frank Rich: Will the Real Traitors Please Stand Up?

["Brian Loe" <knobdy () gmail com>]

On 5/15/06, Dude VanWinkle <dudevanwinkle () gmail com> wrote:

> Yes

And proud of it to boot!


> ".. America knew what was at stake then."
>
> I dont think i misunderstood. If I am right, he and his kind are a
> greater threat to this country than Al Queda and all of Saddam's Nukes
> combined. .. America knew what was at stake then indeed.

No, because he's not calling you names, lumping you in with a greater
evil, etc. That's a liberal, knee-jerk, emotional response. Its the
kind of thing that caused Japanese citizens to be interned in the US.


> > Bush has been pretty well behaved. This probably has to do
> > with his own sensibilities, those of the people around him and the
> > experience of Vietnam (as it relates to peace here in the US).
>
> If I am right, not even all of GWB's extensive experience with the
> Vietnam war can save us now.

Save us from what?

And I was referring to OUR *collective* vietnam experience, here, at home.

> No, there are a new class of thinking beings that deny reality with a
> fervor that is beyond extreme idiocy. If you point out to them
> unpleasant facts about this country, they turn around and say "but
> look at those people over there, they are even worse". If you bring up
> those same unpleasant facts again, they clamber away, denying reality
> in the dim hopes that their overlords will turn out to be kind
> masters.

I guess it depends on who your favorite master is, doesn't it? I mean,
if one was to start belittling Clinton would you have the same view -
or was Clinton a "better" massa? Sorry, but I can't help but think
most of these arguments are not about the subject but about political
affiliation. Perhaps spoiled grapes for having lost the election, or
having the election "stolen".

Besides that, perhaps he just doesn't feel the need to continually
bash his country, I certainly don't. I know where my country has its
problems - most everyone does - but its not productive to simply bash
it and go on. Further, until enough of the populace has had enough,
nothing will change. Your calling him names is not going to convince
him of anything, but it will harden his views against your ideas.
Regardless of what you think of him, he's old enough to vote, and
thereby cancel yours out. He's also a member of that masses that must
eventually get fed up.

> You are either a contrairian, troll, or a twisted soul. Jury is still
> out on that one, as your opinions are as varied as the days. Some(very
> recent)times I even agree with you

I simply have opinions based on my own beliefs, morals and
observations. I know that's "weird" these days, but I'm old school. I
don't believe in the two-party system when it comes to politics, and I
often find myself repulsed by political bible thumpers more than the
idiots knocking on my door, handing out the "truth". You can call me
whatever you like - you're not going to convince me of anything that
way and you sure as hell ain't gonna hurt my feelin's. You're a
nobody, same as me.

If you want to know where I stand on a particular issue, ask. Don't
hold me to it though - I've never considered myself to be all-knowing
and I can have my mind changed when provided the right argument. I can
be reasoned with. I'm open to learn something on any subject at every
turn. I can't be a contrarian, however, because I don't take a view
simply because of its popularity - or lack there of. I'm not a troll -
well, I don't think I am, but I'm not sure what a troll is in this
context. As for twisted soul, there's little doubt, but its
irrelevant.

> -JP <who supports legal abortions well into into the 60th trimester>

Well, at least you're not a peacenik.

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