Re: Duh - Chaining Zeno?

["Dude VanWinkle" <dudevanwinkle () gmail com>]

On 2/24/06, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2006, Dude VanWinkle wrote:
>
> > On 2/24/06, Drsolly <drsollyp () drsolly com> wrote:
> > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2006 Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:15:50 CST, RLVaughn said:
> > > >
> > > > > "We also showed theoretically how to obtain the answer without ever
> > > > > running the algorithm, by using a 'chained Zeno' effect."
> > > >
> > > > It's shit like this that gets you '42' as an answer....
> > >
> > > The quantum counterfactual is one of the most weird aspect of the whole
> > > theory.
> > >
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterfactual_definiteness
> >
> >
> > It seems to me that Heisenberg is assuming that we will always use
> > invasive technology to measure particle movement and velocity, but if
> > we develop a passive way of measuring the momentum and positions, then
> > wouldnt we be able to know both at the same time?
>
> Absolutely. If we could measure position and velocity without actually
> looking at the particle. Do you have a proposal for how that might be
> possible?

I have a cousin that works at JPL, he informed me (a year or so ago)
about the wake effects of photons. Apparently the wake effect can
actually bounce off itself (if you have photons traveling next to each
other) and arrive before the photon, or "faster than the speed of
light".

If electrons and other particles also have a type of wake effect, or
ay emissions, you could possibly use these to measure all kinds of
stuff. Measuring a tiny effect emitted by an electron could possibly
give us both the speed and position.

The problem with the wake effect of photons, and why it took so long
to notice them, was due to the fact that we were using light to
measure light. So if you use a medium to measure that same medium, you
arent gonna find anything faster or smaller than what you are using to
measure with.

Dont get me wrong, my GED hasnt really prepared me for all of this,
but still; every time someone has said "cant be done" in science, they
have been proven wrong. It may take a few centuries, but all absolutes
are rendered a thing of the past. Absolutely all of them ;-)

-JP

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