Re: [SPAM] [Bayesian][bayesTestMode] Re: Google vulnerabilities with PoC

[Mario Vilas <mvilas () gmail com>]

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On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Thomas Williams <thomas () trwilliams me uk>wrote:

> I signed onto this mailing list as an interested person in security - not
> to see everyone moan. We will all have differences in opinion and we should
> all respect that. This goes for everyone and I feel I speak for a lot of
> people here, everyone needs to grow up, and shut up.
>
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> On 15 Mar 2014, at 13:43, Mario Vilas <mvilas () gmail com> wrote:
>
> Sockpuppet much?
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 2:35 PM, M Kirschbaum <pr0ix () yahoo co uk> wrote:
>
> > Gynvael Coldwind,
> >
> > What Alfred has reiterated is that this is a security vulnerability
> > irrelevantly of whether it qualifies for credit.
> >
> > It is an unusual one, but still a security vulnerability. Anyone who says
> > otherwise is blind, has little or no experience in hands on security, or
> > either has a different agenda.
> >
> > The obvious here is that Google dismissed it as a non-security issue
> > which I find rather sad and somewhat ridiculous.
> >
> > Even if we asked Andrew Tanenbaum about ,I suspect his answers wouldn't
> > be much different.
> >
> > Rgds,
> >
> >
> >   On Saturday, 15 March 2014, 12:45, Gynvael Coldwind <
> > gynvael () coldwind pl> wrote:
> >  Hey,
> >
> > I think the discussion digressed a little from the topic. Let's try to
> > steer it back on it.
> >
> > What would make this a security vulnerability is one of the three
> > standard outcomes:
> >
> > - information leak - i.e. leaking sensitive information that you normally
> > do not have access to
> > - remote code execution - in this case it would be:
> > -- XSS - i.e. executing attacker provided JS/etc code in another user's
> > browser, in the context *of a sensitive, non-sandboxed* domain (e.g.
> > youtube.com)
> > -- server-side code execution - i.e. executing attacker provided code on
> > the youtube servers
> > - denial of service - I think we all agree this bug doesn't increase the
> > chance of a DoS; since you upload files that fail to be processed (so the
> > CPU-consuming re-encoding is never run) I would argue that this decreases
> > the chance of DoS if anything
> >
> > Which leaves us with the aforementioned RCE.
> >
> > I think we all agree that if Mr. Lemonias presents a PoC that uses the
> > functionality he discovered to, either:
> > (A) display a standard XSS alert(document.domain) in a sensitive domain
> > (i.e. *.youtube.com or *.google.com, etc) for a different (test) user
> > OR
> > (B) execute code to fetch the standard /etc/passwd file from the youtube
> > server and send it to him,
> > then we will be convinced that this is vulnerability and will be
> > satisfied by the presented proof.
> >
> > I think that further discussion without this proof is not leading
> > anywhere.
> >
> >
> > One more note - in the discussion I noticed some arguments were tried to
> > be justified or backed by saying "I am this this and that, and have this
> > many years of experience", e.g. (the first one I could find):
> >
> > "have worked for Lumension as a security consultant for more than a
> > decade."
> >
> > Please note, that neither experience, nor job title, proves
> > exploitability of a *potential* bug. Working exploits do.
> >
> >
> > That's it from me. I'm looking forward to seeing the RCE exploits (be it
> > client or server side).
> >
> > Kind regards,
> > Gynvael Coldwind
>
>
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