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Re: [CVE-2013-6986] Insecure Data Storage in Subway Ordering
From: "Mikhail A. Utin" <mutin () commonwealthcare org>
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:34:11 -0500
Hello,
I'm on your side. You are right in both how you are handling the case and you conclusion. They failed in a few business
aspects, thus responsible for outcome. After all, legal side of our work is not less important than IT and InfoSec
technologies we use.
Good luck
Mikhail Utin, CISSP, PnD
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: [CVE-2013-6986] Insecure Data Storage in Subway Ordering
for California (ZippyYum) 3.4 iOS mobile application (Daniel Wood)
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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 16:13:03 -0600
From: Daniel Wood <daniel.wood () owasp org>
To: Full Disclosure Mailing List <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] [CVE-2013-6986] Insecure Data Storage
in Subway Ordering for California (ZippyYum) 3.4 iOS mobile
application
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I would like to point out that the statements made in the emails from mikken.tutton () intersecworldwide com are untrue
at best, defamatory at worst. I am not going to lambast Jeff, Mikken, or Intersec Worldwide - but I will defend
myself. Normally I would not respond to something like this in a public forum, however, Intersec Worldwide has forced
my hand due to their untrue statements.
I never signed a Non-Disclosure Agreement with Intersec Worldwide when I started my contracting work for them. Now
that?s not to say I am going to start publishing all the vulnerabilities of their clients, far from it. I am stating
this because prior to this email going out, I was called by Jeff Tutton the ?CISO? about the matter. We talked briefly
for about 10 minutes on Wednesday, December 11, 2013. During this phone call I mentioned the fact that no NDA had been
signed. He said he would look into this and work with his client on the matter regarding the vulnerability disclosure.
I never heard back from him or anyone at Intersec Worldwide after this.
I emailed Jeff/Intersec this morning when I saw Fyodor?s post and Mikken?s/Intersec email alleging I violated their
NDA. I gave Jeff/Intersec until EOB today to provide the original email with the signed NDA I sent to them, however, I
have yet to receive this. I asked for a copy of the allegedly signed NDA last week as well. Failure to provide a
legitimate copy of my sent email with a signed NDA proves to me that they forgot to have me sign an NDA. I should not
be held liable for a lapse in their own processes. If they are able to come up with a legitimate copy of the signed
NDA and email with legitimate email headers - I will gracefully apologize?which won?t occur since I did not sign such a
document. In this email, I also informed Jeff that I am terminating my 1099/contractor agreement with Intersec
Worldwide effective immediately.
Due to the mention of legal action in their email, I have now retained the services of an attorney and will be ready to
see this matter to a close. Instead of focusing on the fact that information was disclosed after they had 6+ months to
fix the vulnerability, they should be focusing on the positive aspect that they were able to fix the vulnerability and
that it does not affect their product?s current release version.
- Daniel Wood
On Dec 16, 2013, at 4:50 PM, Fyodor <fyodor () nmap org> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Daniel Wood <daniel.wood () owasp org> wrote: Title: [CVE-2013-6986] Insecure Data Storage in Subway Ordering for California (ZippyYum) 3.4 iOS mobile application Reported to Vendor: May 2013 CVE Reference: CVE-2013-6986 Apparently you touched a nerve! If the legal threats we received for archiving this security advisory on SecLists.org are any indication, ZippyYum really doesn't want anyone to know they were storing users' credit card info (including security code) and passwords in cleartext on their phones. "Please remove this information from your website immediately in order at avoid further legal action." --Mikken Tutton, CEO of ZippyYum client IntersecWorldWide Of course we have ignored the threats and kept the advisory proudly posted at: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Dec/39 Here are the legal threats we received today and last Wednesday: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mikken Tutton <mikken.tutton () intersecworldwide com> Date: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 1:33 PM Subject: Fwd: To: johnc () grok org uk, fyodor () nmap org, hostmaster () insecure org Dear Webmaster, We contacted you last week regarding some private information about our client that you have posted on your website, in violation of Non-Disclosure agreements we have in place with our customer Zippy Yum. We are requesting that this information be removed immediately. The information to which I am referring is located on this page of your website: http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2013/Dec/39 We would appreciate the courtesy of a response to our email within 48 hours so we can resolve this issue. If we do not receive a response, we will turn this matter over to our attorney for legal action. Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. Sincerely, Mikken Tutton CEO ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mikken Tutton <mikken.tutton () intersecworldwide com> Date: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 11:03 AM Subject: Re: To: fyodor () nmap org Cc: johnc () grok org uk Dear Mr. Lyon, It has come to my attention that the attached information is posted on your website about one of our clients. However, this information was released to you with out authorization and is protected by the Non-Disclosure Agreements we have in place, both with our client and also with the contractor who submitted the information to your website in violation of said NDA. Please remove this information from your website immediately in order at avoid further legal action. Attached is a screen shot of the client information I am referring to. Please advise if you have any questions. We appreciate your prompt attention to this matter. Thank you. Sincerely, Mikken Tutton CEO _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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