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Re: Operation Bring Peace To Machines : New Info
From: not here <zpamh0l3 () gmail com>
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:42:38 +0100
Sort of confirmation Morocco is the motherland for spammers + phishers On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:28 AM, adam <adam () papsy net> wrote:
If by crazy, you mean a spammer: absolutely. On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Jerome Athias <jerome () netpeas com> wrote:Sorry, I am just crazy \x90 Sujet: RE: Vulnerability conceptual map (UNCLASSIFIED) Date : Sat, 18 Feb 2012 16:37:45 -0500 De : WOLFKIEL, JOSEPH L CIV DISA PEO-MA <joseph.wolfkiel () disa mil> <joseph.wolfkiel () disa mil> Répondre à : joseph.wolfkiel () disa mil Pour : Multiple recipients of list <scap-dev () nist gov> <scap-dev () nist gov> Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE The NetD schemas were developed with that concept in mind. We had hoped to contribute the entire body of knowledge to the community and start building automated communications based on the schemas and the relationships they document. Using SCAP names and metadata tags was a key component and gave us some early quick wins. I'd love to come to community consensus on ontological models for threat, vulnerability, device, person, incident, event, workflow, etc that we could start incorporating into SCAP standards (starting with ARF and ASR). Joseph L. Wolfkiel Engineering Group Lead DISA PEO MA/IA52(301) 225-8820Joseph.Wolfkiel () DISA mil -----Original Message----- From: scap-dev () nist gov [mailto:scap-dev () nist gov <scap-dev () nist gov>] On Behalf Of Davidson II, Mark S Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 7:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: Vulnerability conceptual map I think the core of the topic is turning information into action. You might have an ongoing attack, a vulnerability that needs to be patched, an exploitable configuration, or one of many other security risks. You will have varying degrees of information (as Kurt said) within each risk. Currently, an organization that can aggregate risk and threat information to a single point and have a human make a decision that is carried out in a timely manner is among the more mature organizations. Many organizations do not have all of their security information in a single place. Many organizations, once they make a security decision, have a difficult time implementing and communicating that decision. There's probably three areas of action: 1) Collect information and present it in a useful way 2) Make a decision based on that information 3) Carry out the decision #1 and #3 should be automated, and #2 should be where we spend most of our effort. SCAP and CM are within the domain of Collect/Present, and I think there have always been discussions about automating #3. Certain decisions in #2 can be automated once you have #1 and #3, but that's a ways away (in my opinion). Part of the difficulty of #3 is that networks will always be different. Network management technologies will always be different. Let's say for the sake of argument you want to block web traffic. How would you communicate that? You'd have to, at a minimum, communicate the following: inbound/outbound, applicable subnets/locations, & timeframe. Specifying a port may not be enough. What about web traffic over non-standard ports? Then you'd have to use an application aware firewall. Or, what if you are trying to contain a segment of the network that has a router as it's only access? You'd have to have a uniform language that could turn a thought "Block web traffic for sales - they got ANOTHER virus" into a command that must be usable by a variety of devices with functionality that may or may not overlap, all in a network whose topography cannot be known when that language is written. And you have to be able to 'remove' the block when you want. I guess that was just a long way of saying 'I agree'. There's a lot of work to be done and much of it is unexplored (at least from a shared knowledge perspective). -Mark -----Original Message----- From: scap-dev () nist gov [mailto:scap-dev () nist gov <scap-dev () nist gov>] On Behalf Of Kurt Seifried Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 6:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Vulnerability conceptual map On 02/16/2012 06:11 AM, Jerome Athias wrote:For me, The problem: we must quickly mitigate (and then remediate) vulnerabilities Existing scope: we have actually (too much?) too complicated (and incomplete) standards we have not-interoperable vulnerability tools My proposed solution: we have to act quickly to deal with the problem So the idea is to produce, and use an open, SIMPLIFIED, easy to implement and use, standard What i call IVIL v1.0 And I would like to explain, demonstrate and validate my solutionI find this discussion interesting. As I see it for a vulnerability (e.g. a technical issue that can be exploited to gain access or elevate privilege) we have several options: 1) fix it with a software update (which generally relies upon a vendor(s) shipping an update) 2) use a workaround (like change file permissions, disable the specific component that is affected, etc.) 3) disable the entire thing temporarily or permanently. For example by turning it off, restricting access to a limited subset of users, replacing it with something else, etc. 4) accept the risk and continue on (e.g. denial of service attacks, have a re-mediation routine to deal with it such as restarting it). actually if anyone else has other main options I'd love to hear from you. Now as I see it for option 1 you generally need your vendor to ship an update (or you need to have the source and patch it yourself, run it through testing/QE/QA/acceptance/etc.) For option 2 you need research, either done internally, by the vendor or a third party you use (e.g. iDefense, iSIGHT, etc.). For option 3 you need internal knowledge/support and/or support from option 2. For option 4 you need internal knowledge/support and/or support from option 2. So my concern has always been you either need a high degree of internal knowledge and/or external support in some form. All of this takes time if you want to minimize the impact (if you block web access every time a potential web browser vulnerability comes out you'd probably never have access to the web). What struck me as a best case scenario was having a limited/simplified protocol for immediate reaction and a more complete/slower protocol for long term reaction. I think it would be ideal if the protocol proposed could basically say which parts are required and which parts can be left for later. Food for thought. -- Kurt Seifried Red Hat Security Response Team (SRT) --------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please send an e-mail to listproc () nist gov with the words "unsubscribe scap-dev" in the body. You will need to send this from the email account that you used to initially subscribe to scap-dev. Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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