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Re: Getting Off the Patch
From: Christian Sciberras <uuf6429 () gmail com>
Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2011 09:04:12 +0100
Well, there's the CISSP expert that charges $100> hourly for a job that includes reading through a thesis and calculating a risk percentage without actually looking at any code. Impressive age we're in, eh? "Don't write code for nuclear power stations, maths tells us it will get hacked" Besides, we all know where to get the best advice...youtube, twitter and facebook of course!(!!) Regards, Chris. On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Roger Casteele <roger.casteele () yahoo com>wrote:
Valdis, The issue isn't respecting elders, it's the hubris of our generation who can't take advice from *anyone* else, unless it's a skinny kid who is "paletteable" and has an adams apple, smooth talker, etc. People are truly autistic this generation - Overly self-absorbed; clumped corrupted brain tissue. On that note Valdis, what's your story, what is your education? Roger C Cron Enterprises Jacksonville, FL --- On *Fri, 1/14/11, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>*wrote: From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Getting Off the Patch To: "phocean" <0x90 () phocean net> Cc: "full-disclosure () lists grok org uk" <full-disclosure () lists grok org uk>, "Zach C" <fxchip () gmail com>, lists () isecom org Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 3:00 PM On Fri, 14 Jan 2011 09:25:51 +0100, phocean said:But this is so well known, at least I thought, that I wonder what is the purpose of all of this.It's a symptom of our industry slowly getting older. In the '70s and '80s, pretty much everybody had 3-5 years experience, and almost nobody had more than 10, because the field wasn't 10 years old. Nobody looked down on the newbies, because (a) they didn't stay newbies long because there was only 3-4 years worth of stuff to learn and (b) the old-timers could still remember being newbies themselves. Now it's different - the guys who were here at the beginning are all old, gray, and/or bald, and looking at retirement, and we have to start worrying about the collective brain drain that will happen at that time. Meanwhile, demand is surging faster than truly qualified people can be supplied, so we're seeing a lot of young hires who only know what they learned in an 18 month course at ECPI or similar trade school. In other words, we're at exactly the same position when the great flood of McSE holders happened a few years back. RFC1925 says: "Some things in life can never be fully appreciated nor understood unless experienced firsthand. Some things in networking can never be fully understood by someone who neither builds commercial networking equipment nor runs an operational network." We've gotten to the point where a large segment of the industry wasn't taught "patching doesn't work" in school, and they have yet to experience it themselves out in the real world. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: Getting Off the Patch Valdis . Kletnieks (Jan 20)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Procmail (Jan 18)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Pete Herzog (Jan 17)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Pete Herzog (Jan 17)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Thor (Hammer of God) (Jan 17)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Григорий Братислава (Jan 17)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Pete Herzog (Jan 17)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Thor (Hammer of God) (Jan 17)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Pete Herzog (Jan 17)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Roger Casteele (Jan 16)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Christian Sciberras (Jan 17)
- Re: Getting Off the Patch Cor Rosielle (Jan 13)