Re: Getting Off the Patch

["Thor (Hammer of God)" <thor () hammerofgod com>]

I'm sure it will all be cleared up when we see the reporting...

t

From: Christian Sciberras [mailto:uuf6429 () gmail com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 7:45 AM
To: Thor (Hammer of God)
Cc: lists () isecom org; phocean; full-disclosure () lists grok org uk; Zach C
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Getting Off the Patch

Thought I should point out that they seem to have forgotten the main function in mass/distributed computer control and 
management.
What otherwise would be a "huge" waste, it's done in little time and tested reliable in as much little time. According 
to the reliability of the patch, one would also assume that worst case scenarios involve *just* rolling back changes, 
again, not really loosing anything at all.


On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Thor (Hammer of God) <thor () hammerofgod com<mailto:thor () hammerofgod com>> wrote:
> We disagree. Patches changes code which has already been operationally and
> functionally tested. This requires additional testing for each update and patch
> and that takes time, money, and other resources away from other things.
> Therefore no wonder when operations scale upward, the cost of security
> goes exponential. It's because of all the waste.
Please share the research you have that backs up this statement.  I would be very interested in knowing the details 
that that provide the foundation for this argument.  I'm particularly interested in the cost points and identification 
of the exponential cost of security from patching and the money saved by not patching in your environment.

I presume that you have empirical evidence of the vast savings based on concurrent operational models in an enterprise 
environment, so I'm curious as to how many thousands of servers you are operationally responsible for, because that 
information is not only critical, but required for this model to be considered.  IOW, if you could share the analysis 
you presented to management that they bought off on, that would extremely helpful.

Thanks!

t

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