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Re: What the f*** is going on?
From: Pietro de Medici <piedemed () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:01:19 +0100
Michal hit the nail on it's head. The news isn't want some script kiddie ring did to some supposedly info sec website as much as what the whole industria is leading to. So the public thinks the bad guys go around in suits and neckties with the intent of "breaking the net" when the truth is there's a huge broken mess out there. Even worse, those paid to fix it do not give a hoot and often times make it worse (re: HBGary). The media of course follows the more sensational news, some supposedly vigilantes (correction: vandals) attacking some sites. Well, we've been saying the net's broken for how long, 10, 30 years? News is kinda getting old. And where are we now? Salute, Pietro DeMedici On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, Michal Zalewski <lcamtuf () coredump cx>wrote:
Also, I would say that even though randomly prodding exec arguments with As isn't so elite, the space of "the non-web" is much more deep and much more complex than the space of "the web"..I think that sentiment made sense 8-10 years ago, but today, it's increasingly difficult to defend. I mean, we are at a point where casual users can do without any "real" applications, beyond just having a browser. And in terms of complexity, the browser itself is approaching the kernel, and is growing more rapidly. Yes, web app vulnerabilities are easier to discover. That's partly because of horrible design decisions back in the 1990s, and partly because we're dealing with greater diversity, more complex interactions, and a much younger codebase. Plus, we had much less time to develop systemic defenses. /mz
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- What the f*** is going on? Pietro de Medici (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Michal Zalewski (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? root (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Charles Morris (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Michal Zalewski (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Chris Evans (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Michele Orru (Feb 23)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Chris Evans (Feb 24)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Fredrick Diggle (Feb 24)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? jf (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Pietro de Medici (Feb 23)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Michal Zalewski (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Michal Zalewski (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? jf (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Michal Zalewski (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? jf (Feb 22)
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- Re: What the f*** is going on? Michal Zalewski (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Michal Zalewski (Feb 22)
- Re: What the f*** is going on? Chris Evans (Feb 22)