Re: full disclosure is an intelligence blackhole

["intel unit" <n3td4v () hush ai>]

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back off kid

"n3td3v" is trying to save lives here

yahoo messenger has 0days. now if gadi evron and the mossad were to
get onto that, it wouldn't be a good thing, now would it?

On Mon, 01 Mar 2010 08:53:53 +0000 "McGhee, Eddie"
<Eddie.McGhee () ncr com> wrote:
> Come on mate seriously its getting boring, if any serious security
> threats are out there then drop the info and man up, stop with the
> bullshit of making netdev a poor internet meme, because that's all
> it is..
>
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> From: full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk [mailto:full-
> disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk] On Behalf Of intel unit
> Sent: 01 March 2010 08:06
> To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
> Subject: [Full-disclosure] full disclosure is an intelligence
> blackhole
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> John Cartwright is perpetrating global conflict by censoring
> n3td3v's 0days and commenting.
> Opinion by Andrew Wallace. Published by a believer in free speech
> who knows Andrew Wallace is an super spy expert. Luyk a jelly
> samwich amirite?
>
>
> Is banning people from a mailing list a national security risk?
>
> We haven't been on the mailing list since January 2009, although
> there have been plenty of hackers trying to impersonate us.
>
> For sure the impersonations are misleading, and we would like to
> ask, is banning people from a mailing list a vulnerability?
>
> Let's just say we haven't been able to release any information to
> the public for over a year now.
>
> We don't have anywhere we can post information.
>
> Isn't it a security risk to ban one the biggest security &
> intelligence groups in the UK from posting?
>
> We think so, and why would you want to create a climate where
> there are plenty n3td3v wanna be's posting to the mailing list,
> but no actual intelligence on what we're upto, what we've been
> researching or anything like that.
>
> A security & intelligence group with over 6000 security
> professionals in jobs around the world who make up the n3td3v
> group, banned from making announcements relating to national
> security matters.
>
> A whole year of no information getting out to the security
> industry about the vulnerabilities in national security and other
> research that we've been getting upto.
>
> None of that has been post, its all been supressed.
>
> By who? One man decided to risk security by banning one of the
> largest security groups in the United Kingdom.
>
> We were treated badly on the mailing list, it wasn't us in the
> wrong, we only defended ourselves and the integrity of our group
> from people who were obviously wanting an argument.
>
> We aren't playing around, we are grown adults who are serious
> about security & intelligence.
>
> We were made out to be something that we weren't, its not nice to
> be treated like that.
>
> It's why the mailing list can't be taken seriously and poses a
> risk to national security.
>
> Because the people who do research security aren't able to post on
> the mailing list.
>
> And I don't know why more people haven't spoken out about an
> organisation as big as n3td3v being banned from the mailing list,
> its a risk to national security.
>
> We don't post our intelligence anywhere else apart from the
> mailing list we've been banned from, and we don't give out any
> signals intelligence about what we are getting upto, we're very
> careful about that.
>
> The only opportunity to find out what the n3td3v security and
> intelligence group were upto was being subscribed to the mailing
> list and reading our emails.
>
> Andrew is banned, and banned with that are the voices of over 6000
> and more researchers, security consultants and many others.
>
> Is banning n3td3v from Full-disclosure mailing list a national
> security issue? Of course it is.
>
> National security has been at risk for over a year and will remain
> at risk... because the information flow has been cut off.
>
> Who will be to blame? One man who runs the mailing list, one man
> will need to live with himself, his name is John Cartwright.
>
> He has cut off a major security research and intelligence group on
> purpose, I don't think he cares about national security.
>
> Can he live with himself?
>
> We've been sitting in our offices wondering this for over a year,
> we've held security conferences with our members and other stuff
> and remain frustrated that we've been cut off from communicating
> with the security industry.
>
> Yours faithfully,
>
> n3td3v security
> & intelligence group
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