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Re: Disk wiping -- An alternate approach?
From: T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 13:32:08 -0500
I should have brought up the increased density problem Valdis, excellent points. -Travis On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 1:26 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:11:52 EST, T Biehn said:Overwritten files require analysis with a 'big expensive machine.'Assuming a disk drive made this century, if the block has actually been overwritten with any data even *once*, it is basically unrecoverable using any available tech. Proof: In a decade of looking, I haven't found a *single* data-recovery outfit that claimed to recover from even a single overwrite. Blown partition table? No problem. Metadata overwritten, data not? We can scavenge the blocks. Disk been in a fire? Flood? Run over by truck? Sure. We can go in and scavenge the individual intact bits with big expensive machines. Overwritten? <crickets>. Seriously - lot of companies can recover data by reading the magnetic fields of intact data. But anybody know of one that claims it can recover actual over-writes, as opposed to "damn we erased it" or "damn the first part of the disk is toast"? No? Nobody knows of one? I didn't think so. 20 or 25 years ago, it may still have been feasible to use gear to measure the residual magnetism in the sidebands after an over-write. However, those sidebands have shrunk drastically, as they are the single biggest problem when trying to drive densities higher. You can't afford a sideband anymore - if you have one, it's overlapping the next bit. There *may* be some guys inside the spook agencies able to recover overwrites. But you don't need to worry about any evidence so recovered ever being used against you in a court of law - as then they'd have to admit they could do it. Just like in WWII we allowed the German U-boats to sink our convoys rather than let them figure out we had broken Enigma, they'll let the prosecution fail rather than admit where the data came from.
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