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Re: SMS Banking
From: "Craig S. Wright" <craig.wright () Information-Defense com>
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:41:03 +1100
I have a simple answer to this. Forget the debate, rhetoric is not a scientific method of determining truth. "Thor" wants a challenge, let's have one - a real one and not one based on verbalisations, abuse and unfounded assertions. I suggest two components; 1 A selection of software products are tested using both processes, that is I use a model for the risk of these products, and "Thor" can make up whatever guesses he wishes. We model (or "Thor" guesses, pulls from a hat...) the vulnerabilities over a time period. The number of bugs in software as well as the risk are to be presented as a monthly estimate. 2 We model a few systems (say 50). We can use Honeypots (real systems set to log all activity without interference) run by an independent party to each of us. I use probabilistic models to calculate the risk. "Thor" does whatever he wants. Each of the predictions is published by all parties. The one who is most accurate wins. Fairly simple? I will even give a handicap to "Thor", I will offer to predict within a 95% confidence interval and that for me to win, at least 90 of the 100 software products and 45 of the 50 systems have to lie within my predicted range that I calculate and release. "Thor" has to simply guess better than I do no matter how far out he is. I will put up $10,000 Au for my side. Let's see if "Thor" has something real to offer. Regards, ... Dr. Craig S Wright <http://gse-compliance.blogspot.com/> GSE-Malware, GSE-Compliance, LLM, & ... Information Defense <http://www.information-defense.com/> Pty Ltd _____________________________________________ From: Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu [mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu] Sent: Wednesday, 10 February 2010 7:03 AM To: Thor (Hammer of God) Cc: pen-test () securityfocus com; full-disclosure; craig.wright () Information-Defense com Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] SMS Banking * PGP Signed by an unknown key On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:39:39 GMT, "Thor (Hammer of God)" said:
how about accepting a challenge to an open debate on the subject at
Defcon? "Alright folks just make yourself at home, Have a snow cone and enjoy the show" -- Webb Wilder * Unknown Key * 0xB4D3D7B0
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- Re: SMS Banking Craig S. Wright (Feb 10)
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- Re: SMS Banking Valdis . Kletnieks (Feb 09)