Full Disclosure mailing list archives
Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds
From: Tracy Reed <treed () ultraviolet org>
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 14:06:41 -0700
On Wed, Apr 07, 2010 at 12:43:47PM -0400, Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu spake thusly:
I think the issue is a bit deeper than that - the way most regulations are drafted, they do *not* force entities to do what they should have done in the first place. What they *do* force is implementing a checkbox.
I have been doing a lot of PCI work in recent years. It isn't government regulation (although it is often acquiring bank/card brand regulation) and serves a similar purpose subject to similar criticisms. How would you draft regulations such that they do not force them into implementing a checkbox? I am actually somewhat impressed with the PCI guidelines. They provide the ability to have "compensating controls". So if you can adequately explain why a particular requirement does not need to be met to the letter but the data can instead be secured by some other means (even better than what the requirement specifies) you can go that route. It is not a free pass or an "exception" to the requirements. What it does do is prevent you from having your hands tied in silly ways.
Whether said checkbox is actually the best solution *for the actual problem* is the issue. I've seen cases where checkbox auditors insisted that a certain critical system "absolutely positively *HAD* to have a firewall".
This is where compensating controls come in with PCI. If there is an even better solution you are free to implement it.
Now stop for a moment - what is the *reason* for logs being reviewed? Is it acceptable to *not* review logs if there's a suitable "throw alert on exception" mechanism in place?
Yes. Nobody really has a human read every line of every log. I have some home-grown stuff which filters out exceptional stuff. That is quite adequate under PCI.
That's the problem with most of the regulations - they enforce checkboxes, not actually dealing with the overall security posture in a sane way.
Maybe SOX or HIPAA are that way but not PCI. If anything the problem is more likely with the organizations *wanting* a box to check (because that is easier than actual thinking about the real problem) than the regs forcing mindless checkboxes. -- Tracy Reed http://tracyreed.org
Attachment:
_bin
Description:
_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Current thread:
- Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Ivan . (Apr 05)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Bert Knabe (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds John Morrison (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Keith Tomler (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds J Roger (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds J Roger (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Stephen Mullins (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Tracy Reed (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 07)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Digital X (Apr 08)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Tracy Reed (Apr 09)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Nick FitzGerald (Apr 10)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Thor (Hammer of God) (Apr 10)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 10)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Valdis . Kletnieks (Apr 22)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Christopher Gilbert (Apr 23)
- Re: Compliance Is Wasted Money, Study Finds Mike Hale (Apr 23)