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Re: Facebook Police
From: William Wylde <durtybill () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 04:58:11 -0500
That's all true. I was just talking about pleading guilty or nolo contendre to a charge based on nothing more than a picture. Of course, in this case, it's nothing but a fine- and you'd prolly need a lawyer to win, and that'd cost more than the 200-some-odd dollars the guy had to pay. It's like when a swine confiscates your cash when you're riding down the road with that 200-some-odd dollars you were going to pay the last fine with, and they take a notion to use that good ole federal civil asset forfeiture law that let's 'em rob anybody with 200+ dollars in cash in their pockets. Fuck the government. I didn't realize that this list defaulted to sending a reply to the sender of the message you're responding to. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 5:50 PM, Rohit Patnaik <quanticle () gmail com> wrote:
You don't need proof to press charges. All you need is probable cause. Holding a glass, bottle, or can of what appears to be an alcoholic beverage probably meets the standard of probable cause. Whether the district attorney's office can prove the case in a court of law is a different matter. --Rohit Patnaik On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 01:01:22PM -0500, William Wylde wrote:Actually, a picture proves absolutely nothing. Anybody who caves to a charge based on nothing but a picture is dumb. If it's a drink in aglass,there's no way prove that what's in the glass is alcoholic. If it's in a can or bottle there's also no way to prove it contains alcohol, oranythingat all in many can. Fuck the government. On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Rohit Patnaik <quanticle () gmail com>wrote:Actually, I'm not sure what the issue is here. Facebook is a publicforum.Underage drinking is an illegal act. If you post evidence of yourself committing an illegal act to a publicforum,the police are free to come and arrest you, and use the pictures that you posted as evidence against you. The only complaint here seems to be that the police violated Facebook's Terms of Service in "friending" these underage drinkers and gathering evidence against them. However, I'm not surehowthat's illegal in any way. If it were, undercover investigations and sting operations of all sorts would be illegal. As I see it, these are kids who were caught out in their own stupidity,fordoing something that they know to be illegal, and then posting pictures. Now these same kids are whining because the police were marginally more tech-savvy than they assumed. --Rohit Patnaik On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 10:32:53AM +0100, netinfinity wrote:"Facebook policy requires the use of one’s real name to sign up, but they let the police use fake names.." Sure the policy says that but a lot of people are changing theirnameson a daily basis (ok maybe not daily). And majority of those changes are just for fun, but never the less they are against the policy. What about those people? Only way to verify or check someone's name is through IP (ISP). And that can't be done by will.. It must have some legal grounds... Let me get to the point, I'm sure that police is violating some some kind of human rights or even law's (?) -- netinfinity _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/-- -- "I've been such a fool, Vassili. Man will always be a man. There is no new man. We tried so hard to create a society that was equal, where there'd be nothing to envy your neighbour. But there's always something to envy. A smile, a friendship, something you don't have and want to appropriate. In this world, even a Soviet one, there will always be rich and poor. Rich in gifts, poor in gifts. Rich in love, poor in love." -- Commisar Danilov, "Enemy at the Gates"
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