Re: The Cyber War Conspiracy

[Sam Haldorf <sahalderf () ymail com>]

Why do you speak of yourself in quotes? It makes you look batshit insane.

Andrew Wallace sounds like a terrorist. He's psychologically projecting.

n3td3v could be a legitimate cyber threat, in my opinion. He's a _creepy_ person.

--- n3td3v <xploitable () gmail com> schrieb am Fr, 4.12.2009:

Von: n3td3v <xploitable () gmail com>
Betreff: Re: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy
An: "Sam Haldorf" <sahalderf () ymail com>, full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
Datum: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2009, 23:28

You're a paranoid schizophrenic if you think "n3td3v" is all of those
people and / or a threat to anyone.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 10:32 PM, Sam Haldorf <sahalderf () ymail com> wrote:
> What? Don't contact me you sick pervert.
>
> Someone please find out this subjects address and notify the government of him. Jesus.
>
> Take it from Mr. Wallace, "If you suspect it, report it: 0800 789 321"
>
> n3td3v is probably ureleet, full-censorship, full-disclosure, antisec, jdl and valdis.
>
> Please don't contact me. You're really scary.
>
> Take your medication and kindly leave.
>
> --- full-disclosure () Safe-mail net <full-disclosure () Safe-mail net> schrieb am Di, 1.12.2009:
>
> Von: full-disclosure () Safe-mail net <full-disclosure () Safe-mail net>
> Betreff: Re: AW: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy
> An: sahalderf () ymail com, full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
> Datum: Dienstag, 1. Dezember 2009, 5:51
>
> I bet you to it mate but good troll attempt all the same ;)
>
> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2008-September/064425.html
>
> Hey Sam, amma let you finish, but n3td3v was the best troll of all time!
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> From: Sam Haldorf <sahalderf () ymail com>
> To: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
> Cc: full-disclosure () Safe-mail net
> Subject: AW: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:08:49 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> This is just doing too far.
>
> He's obviously a paranoid schizophrenic who uses aliases to bring attention to himself. This means he's a loose 
> cannon. A potential lone wolf terrorist. Who knows, he may decide to do something nasty to bring attention to his 
> causes.
>
> It's obvious as Andrew Wallace's paranoia grows, his interest is going from infosec (trolling FD) to real life. He 
> may to adapt his attention-seeking MO to real life, where he may harm real people. See what I mean?
>
> You know what you have to do.
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/report-n3td3v-to-MI5
>
> Paste his paranoid ramblings in there. This will help the government prevent n3td3v from causing harm. They will keep 
> a good eye on him.
>
> Warning: Do _not_ lie or in anyway misrepresent the truth when reporting him. Just state the obvious if you do infact 
> consider him a threat. Which I obviously do.
>
> Thank you,
> Sam H
>
> --- full-disclosure () Safe-mail net <full-disclosure () Safe-mail net> schrieb am Mo, 30.11.2009:
>
> Von: full-disclosure () Safe-mail net <full-disclosure () Safe-mail net>
> Betreff: [Full-disclosure] The Cyber War Conspiracy
> An: full-disclosure () lists grok org uk
> Datum: Montag, 30. November 2009, 10:45
>
> It is my understanding the "security industry" would like nothing better than a cyber war to kick off, mass profit, 
> mass employment, mass political capital to hit "cyber security" into the main stream of society to strike at the 
> heart of the single mom and retired couple crowd.
>
> Cyber War is a touchy subject if you ask any "security professional" they don't like people saying straight out 
> "cyber war is bullshit". They get emotional about it, its as if they want it to happen. I see a build up towards 
> "Cyber War", the people in power such as Gadi Evron, he wants a Cyber War its all he talks about. He was the first 
> person to draw conclusions out of fine air and were quick to blame the Russians for Estonia, even though there was no 
> evidence.
>
> Just like 9/11, you knew it was an inside job because they announced within 24 hours they _knew_ it was Al-Qaeda even 
> though they weren't able to stop the attack if they knew so much about it.
>
> Estonia turned out to be a kid in his bedroom with some bot net command & control, not the actual work of a super 
> power.
>
> SANS want Cyber War, they asked the CIA to come to their SCADA conference in 2008 to puke up a bunch of non-sense 
> that Hackers had darkened cities, infact the event never happened or took place it was shear propaganda, misleading 
> bullshit to build up the path for "Cyber War".
>
> "No cyberwar yet, but soon, says firm" a headline says on Securityfocus--- This is a warning that something bad is 
> about to happen. A cyber 9/11? The security industry need cyber war, the hacker scene is falling flat before our eyes 
> there is no spectacular-event happened for a while, virus outbreaks and worms just don't happen like they used to to 
> keep "cyber security" in high profile.
>
> The pro-propaganda for "cyber security" is running out, the security industry is crying out for a cyber 9/11 scale 
> event and thats what scares me.
>
> One of the first things Obama took seriously when he went into the White House was Cyber Security, and remember the 
> Marcus Sachs video even before the election, you could hear it in his words, you could see it in his body language, 
> folks in power in cyber security want to get cyber security into the main stream media. Marcus Sachs asked how can we 
> put cyber security infront of the media? Cyber security isn't something that is talked about in the media, how can we 
> put it infront of the media and the next administration, he said.
>
> I trust Marcus Sachs like I trust a convicted paedophile. People like Joel Esler tried to defend him to me, how can 
> you say such things about such a nice guy. But isn't everyone a nice guy on the surface? It's not until you really 
> dig in and see the other side to a person and everyone has another side to them.
>
> If people like Marcus Sachs are advising Obama right now on cyber security, be afraid very afraid. Remember this is 
> the guy who has a picture of himself shaking the hand of George W. Bush on his home page, and smiling about it.
>
> Because I said all this stuff previously I was attacked on this list, got banned by John Cartwright... there is a 
> cover-up going on. My conclusions aren't sharp but they were on the right course, and they didn't want to risk the 
> chance that I got something accurate, so they setup a bunch of aliases on here to provoke me into "troll style", to 
> get people to think I was just an annoying twat and no value to this mailing list.
>
> The same people tried to say I was some screwball etc, desperately trying to get folks not to take anything I say 
> seriously.
>
> They even tried to say I was anti-sec, yes "Ureleet" alias, remember him? He is to do with people who are involved 
> with the people im accusing of building up towards cyber war. He isn't a random person, he is involved and scared 
> that I or the British government might be onto them, they are running scared. Even the slightest mention of MI5 / MI6 
> sent them running scared that they have been rumbled and infiltrated by human assets.
>
> I'm serious about cyber security im not a troll and never was, I do have a vested interest in this stuff and I do 
> want to collaborate or get hired with British intelligence to burst this plot wide open and expose the people 
> involved in wanting a cyber 9/11.
>
> So this email address will be banned, more sponsored aliases will come along to make fun of n3td3v, post fake 
> psychological profiles and the such for the next 11 months?
>
> This is people not trying to stop some kid called "n3td3v" this is a mass campaign against me, from the early days of 
> the Neal Krawetz and Securityfocus effort to trash me, to the recent Ureleet and John Cartwright trying to trash me.
>
> Remember that jdl guy at the hushmail address who had the subject header "impersonation is against the law", that was 
> a subject header I had been sending to John Cartwright to get something done about folks, then suddenly the jdl alias 
> comes onto the list with exactly the same header.
>
> Coincidence? is it hell. John Cartwright is in on it, Ureleet is connected to John Cartwright and there is a 
> conspiracy to gag me because I was touching home too many truths about the build up towards cyber war and the people 
> behind the plot for a cyber 9/11.
>
> It's not kids in their bedrooms with the anti-n3td3v aliases, its these guys in the suits conspiring to carry out a 
> cyber 9/11.
>
> The aliases against me, they aren't kids. They are grown men security professionals, the same men who don't like 
> being called out and can't even use their real names in their campaign against me. I openly post with my real name to 
> criticize and still would be using my real name, accept it got banned by John Cartwright, the guy who hides behind 
> grok.org.uk and nobody knows anything about, hiding in the shadows while banning anyone from this list who remotely 
> gets close to the political truth.
>
> If you look back to January 2009 when "n3td3v" got banned it was exactly at the point where I wasn't believing in 
> cyber war. I am the only person to be banned from this mailing list, you've got to ask yourself why. All I done was 
> "full disclosure" which is what this list is about, but the people in power don't like it when its full disclosure of 
> them not other people.
>
> Like the Mossad and Funsec, they don't like that mentioned on full disclosure. It's full disclosure of information, 
> but because it involves something not liked because it exposes them, then its not accepted.
>
> You need to look into the real reasons n3td3v got banned and its nothing to do with what you think is the reason of 
> someone with no value to the mailing list. Who dare say which disclosures are value and who's aren't.
>
> So already you're seeing evidence this mailing list is corrupt and the person running it panicking because his 
> friends over at SANS and other places are being exposed for their crave for cyber war and a cyber 9/11 event to take 
> place.
>
> Valdis isn't a random person either, hes proved hes pro-cyber war with a vested interest against me saying any of 
> this stuff.
>
> Look at the people against me, then investigate their role in the ring of power thats developing in the cyber 
> security vaccum.
>
> This is probably the last you'll see of the real n3td3v because there is sure to be a contract killer out to silence 
> me.
>
> There have already been discreet warnings, like in the mp3 that was posted by <vomithatsteve () yahoo com>, it said 
> mi6 were going to kill me, they actually ment U.S Intelligence, but put MI6 in its place just to screw with British 
> Intelligence even more.
>
> And the warning by - o z - <osgo () hotmail com> and reposted by sahalderf at ymail.com that said "Solutions:  
> There's a few, but I wouldn't want to be responsible for the end result"
>
> If I was just some kid troll, would any of this have gone on for so long? How many years is it now? There will be no 
> let down, there has been no trolling apart from the times the sponsored aliases have frustrated me into a flame to 
> distract me from posting what I wanted to post that was hitting the political truth too much.
>
> There is more going on than you can see, this is a war at the moment of words because there are vested interest 
> groups out there wanting cyber war to advance the security industry, while there are people like me who are 
> monitoring these guys and seeing their intentions and they don't like anyone who is exposing them and me wanting to 
> stop them from carrying out cyber-war/terrorism to advance the security industry.
>
> Expect more people impersonating me, signing as my real life name etc... mock psycho analysis emails being post by 
> people who are too cowardly to use their real name, they aren't kids, they are the political elite trying to make 
> sure anything I say is trashed.
>
> I am saving the world from the people who claim to be saving the world, but how can they be saving the world if they 
> are planning a cyber event to push forward the advancement of the cyber security industry?
>
> Cue all the sponsored aliases who are out to get me, by the time you read this email address will already be banned.
>
> Just listen to the State of the Internet 2009 panel podcast by SANS, they got an audience to laugh out loud when they 
> kept mentioning my n3td3v name, the recording is available on the internet as a podcast, this isn't just people 
> annoyed about some kid on full-disclosure mailing list, this is part of a sophisticated campaign against me which 
> started in 2006.
>
> This is unprecedented the amount of effort gone into trashing some apparent kid called "n3td3v", if I was just some 
> kid they wouldn't be going to the lengths they have to trash me.
>
> This mailing list is part of corruption, the corruption that is covering up n3td3v and sweeping him under the carpet 
> and throwing him away.
>
> My last words to you is, don't let this matter rest, they have got rid of n3td3v, but there are bound to be people 
> who will investigate what im saying, and I hope they do. Because my last request before I finish this rant is, don't 
> forget the things ive been talking about and continue to investigate people while im gone.
>
> This is serious the political elite are planning a cyber-event and it seems nobody is out to stop it or being 
> proactive about raising concern about it apart from me.
>
> I'm the only one ranting about this stuff, but why haven't we got more people sounding the alarm the alarm that the 
> build up is happening and there is nothing to stop it.
>
> I was banned in January, isn't it strange 11 months later the political elite still have their sponsored aliases 
> trying to run "n3td3v" completely into the ground. They even impersonated my real name and a British intelligence 
> agency, and who's always been right behind anti-n3td3v aliases as a back up reply? Yes Valdis, hes always there, 
> always there to reply to give support to them.
>
> All I say is investigate whats going on against this so-called kid called n3td3v, surely there is more to it than 
> just trying to get me off a mailing list cause of some "noise" excuse.
>
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