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Re: Anti virus installations on Windows servers
From: T Biehn <tbiehn () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 10:13:30 -0400
Close, but no cee-gar. The XKCD is saying that if you designed it so that you need that as a contingency, you blew the design. This one bothered me, the rest is typical. How do you fit that into the analogy provided of the teacher who wears a condom? Should he have sealed the vulnerable surfaces of his penis with a hot glue gun? -Travis On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:10 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:29:28 EDT, you said:What do you suggest to use on a server that must accept uploads of binaries from users?Now that's a particular special-case instance. The original poster only differentiated as far as "Is it a different answer for your server and desktop". So I answered the original question at that same level of detail.Should these binaries be scanned by an anti-virus? Can we trust that end users have competent Anti-Virus?I don't know. *CAN* you trust that your end users have competent AV installed and up-to-date? If you can't, you probably need to be addressing *that* issue, since those end users are probably visiting a lot of *other* servers besides your upload server - and most of those are probably outside your control.Because of the relative infancy of non-windows-based anti-virus software would it be advisable to host a windows virtual machine that shares a 'virtual disk' that is monitored by a robust a/v software to use to host the binaries?Properly done security is about tradeoffs. How much will it cost to design/install/maintain/document the shared Windows server that does the AV scanning, and how much will it save you in infections that would not have been stopped *anyhow* by the end user's AV?Which antivirus software would you recommend?Let's say we have 2 AV products, FooBar and Quux. FooBar detects 20% more stuff which you estimate will save you $60K/year in infections you don't have to deal with, but the Quux site license will be $75K/year cheaper. Your best bet at that point is buying Quux and coming out $15K/year ahead. Now you discover that neither FooBar nor Quux will easily integrate into your binary-upload server environment - each will require another $20K in R&D to make that happen. Frobnoxx sucks in detection capability, but will drop right in for essentially free. In the real world, you *often* end up choosing a product that's not the best one rated solely on its main mission - things like licensing costs and integration issues often end up dominating the decision.The easy out is to say "I don't need a/v and nobody does" perhaps you might want to put a little more thought into your answers before you hit send.Note that's *not* what I said - what I *said* was that if you designed things properly, you don't need "a/v" as a separate add-on because the things the a/v will do for you are *already* done by other stuff.This, however, is not the point of the XKCD cartoon, the XKCD is saying that you shouldn't have a contingency plan for something that ISN'T A CONTINGENCY.Close, but no cee-gar. The XKCD is saying that if you designed it so that you need that as a contingency, you blew the design.On a general purpose OS, especially a desktop, insane surface exists, no matter what protection you've put in.Right. The point you're missing is that if you apply the protection *properly*, you shouldn't be needing a separate "a/v" add-on.
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