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Re: Microsot DID DISCLOSE potential Backdoor
From: "J. Oquendo" <sil () infiltrated net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 13:35:33 -0500
On Tue, 06 May 2008, Ken Schaefer wrote:
I'm not sure the facts in evidence support the conclusions reached here (sorry, not posting inline as I don't want to address each conclusion built upon some other shaky conclusion. From http://support.microsoft.com/kb/890830 ====== Either I am missing the point of J. Oquendo's post, or the conclusions I think he reaches are speculation rather that established. Cheers Ken
Unsure if this made it to the list the first time, therefore I will re-take. Outside of technical quoting I will lay it out in understandable terms. Microsoft DOES NOT NOTIFY THE END USER THAT INFORMATION TAKEN FROM THEIR MACHINE WILL BE FORWARDED TO ANYONE OUTSIDE OF MICROSOFT. This *IS NOT* speculation but fact. Since you provided the link for us, please go back and specify where Microsoft is telling us the information they gather from Windows Malicious Software Removal WILL BE sent to LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES inside or outside the United States. Please read the article and the wording: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/145257/microsoft_botnethunting_tool_helps_bust_hackers.html /QUOTED The software vendor is giving law enforcers access to a special tool that keeps tabs on botnets, using data compiled from the 450 million computer users who have installed the Malicious Software Removal tool that ships with Windows. / END QUOTE Please find me anything in the EULA for WMSR tool that specifies they will do as they see fit with data from my machine? Now what's to stop them from using the same principle in the future: We obtained information before, no one cared. RIAA cares to get a baseline of how many Windows users have MP3's. Farfetched? I think not. What happens a-la AT&T wiretaps where Microsoft decides to say obtain whatever information they'd like regardless of telling you what they're doing with that information. So you argue... "Reporting is optional..." It sure is, but what do you think the response would be from MS users if MS stated "We will send your information to Law Enforcement agents anywhere..." /QUOTED: In February, the S?ret? du Qu?bec used Microsoft's botnet-buster to break up a network that had infected nearly 500,000 computers in 110 countries, according to Captain Frederick Gaudreau, who heads up the provincial police force's cybercrime unit. / END QUOTE Missing the part? Its black and white. If MS wasn't using information (flawed since it's relying on IP) then how did they correlate IP information back to law enforcement... OUTSIDE the United States...
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