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Re: Offensive Security Backtrack Training
From: "Been There" <beenthere () hush com>
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 19:10:40 -0700
-----Original Message----- On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Kern <timetrap () gmail com> wrote: I think "security underground" implies unemployed. does that imply i'm wrong or less advantaged to make an opinion about offensive-security? ------------- I don't think the correct definition here is "employed" or "unemployed" I'm thinking the w0rd of the day is "Employ-able..." "Worried", while it's wonderful to think there are people like yourself that are out there willing to help those in need for phree, but can you really blame someone for wanting to profit on their knowledge, especially if it's done with considerations as far as an ability to pay? My God, I've been there. Pun intended, the moniker being bittersweet as it is...and I have carried a torch, did the Information Yearns trek, all of it...and found myself...very, very poor. While I could astound my colleagues with exploits out the ass, I created a much larger and negative impact by going off-line. I couldn't pay my ISP and the neighbor started to finally use WPA with a new-found knowledge of esoteric Czechoslovakian phrases. I was SOL. Most people have to make a living. Sometimes people get lucky and thoroughly get to enjoy what they do and get paid for it...in our case, if I look at the demographics and skillset, that's entirely possible..think about it...getting paid to find out heinously cool shit, literally. If someone isn't employed, well, there's geography and certain past gov't sanctions that might inhibit working in a place that employs more than, well, two people. At least in North America, anyway. I guess what I'm trying to say here is that it's not a sellout when someone has responsibility for more than themselves, and unlike most fields, if someone in our industry is charging an assload for shitty security know-how, I can't think of a quicker or more capricious audience than all of us here on Full-Disclosure. There is profit in performance. And if that feeds my family, gosh, I'm OK with that...and anyone else doing the same. The weird thing about it all is that someone might learn something if they aren't careful. Ben There -- Buying or selling a home? Click here for free info on real estate services. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4doPHfED9HiNhHdBoC5Sjq7zQT0CTgO6jJ26ICUD9hVSPZ8k/ _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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- Re: Offensive Security Backtrack Training atlas (Mar 13)
- Re: Offensive Security Backtrack Training Kern (Mar 13)
- Re: Offensive Security Backtrack Training worried security (Mar 13)
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- Re: Offensive Security Backtrack Training Paul Schmehl (Mar 13)
- Re: Offensive Security Backtrack Training Kern (Mar 13)
- Re: Offensive Security Backtrack Training Been There (Mar 13)
- Fwd: Offensive Security Backtrack Training n3td3v (Mar 24)
- Re: Fwd: Offensive Security Backtrack Training Tonu Samuel (Mar 25)