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Re: the world of botnets article and wrong numbers
From: "Toby McKay" <mcktoby () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:59:55 +0300
On 9/14/06, Gadi Evron <ge () linuxbox org> wrote:
> hi guys > i ask gadi on the botnets listserv on where he got the number 12K for > bots every month on his the world of botnets article [ > http://www.beyondsecurity.com/whitepapers/SolomonEvronSept06.pdf You did.. > ] .. he gave no real answer. > does that number sound right to anybody? where did you come up with it > gadi? First, the link I prefer people use is the one on my blog at securiteam, as it holds the copyright notice for Virus Bulletin, under which I was allowed to host the article: http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/593 Numbers... I can't speak for others, but I can try to answer better than I did on the botnets mailing list on whitestar. On individual honey nets, even rather large ones, the number of unique samples often assembled can be somewhere between 200 and 800 a month.. depending on how wide it is spread and the networks it sits on. Which is why many of us cooperate. >From cumulative honey nets monitoring of such smaller (yet very effective) nets, and some larger nets, we get to a number of about 15K new bot samples every month (Alan Solomon and myself wrote 12K, so we underplayed it a bit due to statistics being a bit shaky). So the real avg number is somewhere around 15K new unique samples a month. Further, the anti virus world sees about the same numbers. The Microsoft anti malware team (and Ziv Mador specifically) spoke of 15K avg bot samples a month, as well. I don't know what others may be seeing, but this is our best estimate as to what's going on with the number of unique samples released every month. Jose Nazarijo from Arbor replied on the botnets list that he sees similar numbers. I hope this helps... what are you looking to hear? Gadi.
can you show samples for a month? can you show them as being real or in you rmind?
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