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Re: Call for moderation
From: "Eliah Kagan" <degeneracypressure () gmail com>
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 14:50:52 -0400
Right, so the machinery is already in place to partially moderate the list in **special circumstances**. It is interesting that flaming and rudeness are not given as examples of such circumstances, since flame wars are very common on lists in general and on Full Disclosure in particular, and since most people agree that they are bad. If the charter meant for moderation as being called for now by some people, it would have said it. People who are calling for moderation are saying that the list should be moderated above and beyond what is allowed by the charter. I think that moderation is a bad idea, but if it is to be done, then the charter must surely be modified first. Which, in turn, will begin a precedent of moderation that will ultimately undermine the purpose of the list far more than it is being undermined presently by rudeness, flaming, and flagrantly off-topic posts. Free discourse can be annoying. I think that we should not give up freedom for comfort, nonetheless. One quite viable option for those wishing moderation is to unsubscribe from the list and read the list archives periodically. Of course, then their posts will be moderated, but *they* shouldn't have a problem with that... -Eliah On 5/19/06, David Taylor <ltr () isc upenn edu> wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Moderating lists tends to slow things down but I have seen other security related lists begin to get out of hand and moderation was enforced. It would be nice if people can just get along. Or not get along but for shorter periods of time. There is a charter for this list at http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html (which is in the mailing list sig). A couple of sections: <charter> Moderation & Management The [Full-Disclosure] list is unmoderated. Typically posting will be restricted to members only, however the administrators may choose to accept submissions from non-members based on individual merit and relevance. It is expected that the list will be largely self-policing, however in special circumstances (eg spamming, misappropriation) then offending members may be removed from the list by the management. Acceptable Content Any information pertaining to vulnerabilities is acceptable, for instance announcement and discussion thereof, exploit techniques and code, related tools and papers, and other useful information. Gratuitous advertisement, product placement, or self-promotion is forbidden. Disagreements, flames, arguments, and off-topic discussion should be taken off-list wherever possible. </charter> Does anyone know if they have actually removed people from the list? On 5/19/06 2:16 PM, "Aaron Gray" <angray () beeb net> wrote: Regarding some previous threads. Some people just show how low they are ! This is why we need some form of "Code of Conduct" or even better change to a moderated list. Otherwise the whole list just gets ruined and will ndeteriate over time. Heres a call for moderation before it gets too late. Anything that is too off topic or inflamatory should get junked. Aaron ? _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ================================================== David Taylor //Sr. Information Security Specialist University of Pennsylvania Information Security Philadelphia PA USA (215) 898-1236 http://www.upenn.edu/computing/security/ ================================================== Penn Information Security RSS feed http://www.upenn.edu/computing/security/rss/rssfeed.xml Add link to your favorite RSS reader -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) Comment: Generated by Gpg Tools - http://www.tomsci.com/gpgtools iD8DBQFEbhANrFOwyUiOUlwRAqGLAKDfFyJRW5dp01tEfWOc1Zng3COOlQCgw4jX K4AI4m/DyDN6miW0qE6f+bQ= =MZB1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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Current thread:
- Re: Call for moderation, (continued)
- Re: Call for moderation J.A. Terranson (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation Eliah Kagan (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation Stephen Johnson (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation Micheal Espinola Jr (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation Paul Schmehl (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation Eliah Kagan (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation Valdis . Kletnieks (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation Andrew Smith (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation nocfed (May 19)
- Re: Call for moderation Valdis . Kletnieks (May 20)
- Re: **SPAM** Re: Call for moderation Aaron Gray (May 20)
- Re: **SPAM** Re: Call for moderation Aaron Gray (May 20)