RE: Phishing and Spammers

[<Glenn.Everhart () chase com>]

A query based on IP has the same problems everyone else has with IP address;
it would immediately remove everyone using the same proxy, or who happened
to get the same IP from a point of presence, or from a load balancer...

It might just be that a merchant trying to advertise this way and getting a
large number of fake charges would start to look like a fraudster and start getting
queried by some folks worried about money laundering or fraud. (Why so many 
orders from <favorite locale that is heavy into illegal drugs>?)

Best not to flood the phisher with extra replies lest he be able to recognize
that, but if everyone did their best to create plausible orders with phony
and suspicious-sounding sources it might make that form of advertising about as
popular with merchants as the proverbial cake with lye frosting.



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Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 3:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Phishing and Spammers


A simple SQL query can delete all records from the same IP/machine, if
the counter is above 2. 

Presto, database cleaned. Also the phiser will now that at that address
there's someone who knows better. Remove the address from the database
and add a newbie clueless address instead. 

Best-case scenario? Solve our problem and let others deal with it. 




On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 15:23:05 -0400
"Geo." <geoincidents () nls net> wrote:

G> I would appreciate hearing a little feedback on this idea.
G> 
G> It strikes me that phishers and spammers have a vulnerability that we have
G> not yet exploited. They collect information, granted the returns are small
G> but since email is cheap they send out tons and those tons net them a
G> profitable return.
G> 
G> Why not encourage everyone to reply to phishers and spammers with fake
G> information? Get a spam, order it using a fake name and credit information.
G> Get a phishing mail, go login to change your ebay/paypal password with

G> credentials.
G> 
G> GIGO, you know? I mean if they are getting a 1% or 2% return then if the
G> same ratio were to respond with bad information it would make a lot of work
G> for the folks profitting from these activities.
G> 
G> Geo.
G> 
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