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Re: complaints about the governemnt spying!
From: Bart.Lansing () kohls com
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2006 10:01:26 -0600
NUMBER: 1056 AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706?90) QUOTATION: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. ATTRIBUTION: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, Pennsylvania Assembly: Reply to the Governor, November 11, 1755.?The Papers of Benjamin Franklin, ed. Leonard W. Labaree, vol. 6, p. 242 (1963). This quotation, slightly altered, is inscribed on a plaque in the stairwell of the pedestal of the Statue of Liberty: ?They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.? SUBJECTS: Liberty full-disclosure-bounces () lists grok org uk wrote on 12/29/2005 09:22:12 PM:
On 12/29/05, Michael Holstein <michael.holstein () csuohio edu> wrote:The security directives are secret because you don't show your hand to the enemy (except if you work for the New York
Times.)
Uh huh .. so the newspaper informing the public about an illegal government program (after holding the article for a year at the government's request) is "helping the enemy"Especially when "the enemy" is anyone who publicly or *privately* disagrees with the president. Worse now US citizens are enemies with no civil rights and are imprisoned indefinately like rats...exactly what are we defending by spying on our own citizens with no cause is beyond me.It seems so many have forgotten who the true enemy is. "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Jefferson, 1759).That's actually a Benjamin Franklin quote, which is worded about 1000 different ways depending on the source. -sb/mike. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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