Re: Re: Call for new mailing lists @ SecurityFocus (X-POST)

[Alex Prinsier <aphex () aphexer dyndns org>]

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I've not known the list as it was before 2003... and I really would like
to know how it was then.

I'm not sure how to understand these lines:

> do you remember why this full-disclosure list was started in the first
> place?
> I do... undelayed, unmoderated, uncensored, disclosure, full if you
> want, room for discussions etc

Do you mean symantec first checks every message which causes a delay?
And in the case they don't like the message they delete it? Or perhaps
censor some stuff?

Alex

Frank de Wit wrote:
> That's why I wrote 'before 2003'... reading is difficult, arrogance is
> easy I see in your response, the arrogance of a Symantec I would like to
> say, but you still interest me ;-)
> I see differences, it's called delayed disclosure and it's called
> symantec (who has more securityproblems with it's own products than any
> other security software supplier(?) :-) and it's called $ to pay for
> information which used to be free before securityfocus 'went commercial'
> http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2002-July/000143.html
> remember? that's the moment you went rich and blind :-)
> if you don't see it, all that yellow stuff is blinding you or the money
> is blinding you
> did the people who contributed to securityfocus got paid when you
> received all those US$ ?
> ok that's old cows, let's leave that because we're grownups... at least
> we say we are
> do you remember why this full-disclosure list was started in the first
> place?
> I do... undelayed, unmoderated, uncensored, disclosure, full if you
> want, room for discussions etc
> Why would we need another @securityfocus list if we already have this
> full disclosure list... that's whay I wrote between the lines ;-)
> Securityfocus.com was great... until it was bought by Symantec... I saw
> you come, be and die
> My opinion, if you don't like it... well... that's life
>
> Alfred Huger wrote:
>
> > Frank,
> >
> > It was acquired in 2002 not 2003. If you can actually point to
> > anything differant other than aesthetics I'd be happy to talk about it
> > and even work to change it if it's got merit. I've been here since the
> > begining - given I started it - and I really see little or any
> > differance pre vrs. post Symantec.
> >
> > -al
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, Frank de Wit wrote:
> >
> > > todo?
> > > quit symantec
> > > restart the real securityfocus as it was before 2003
> > > start fulldisclosure...
> > >
> > > Alfred Huger wrote:
> > >
> > > > All,
> > > >
> > > > As most of you know, some of the strongest value the SecurityFocus
> > > > community has to offer is that of our mailing lists. These lists
> > > > contribute a vast amount of information and dialogue to the
> > > > community at
> > > > large but they are generally held within a finite amount of lists,
> > > > which
> > > > changes little (in terms of # of lists) over time. Given this is the
> > > > case
> > > > we, every few years, make a call for new mailing lists from the
> > > > community.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to invite you to send me your thoughts on which new
> > > > mailing lists we should start here. Based off the feedback we
> > > > receive I believe we will launch a number of new lists in the late
> > > > September timeframe. I also urge you to consider becoming a
> > > > moderator for the list(s) you suggest because as a community we are
> > > > only viable if we all make an effort to participate..
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Alfred
> > > >
> > > > Alfred Huger
> > > > Symantec Corp.
> > > > Sr. Director, Engineering
> > > > Response & Global Managed Security Services
> >
> > Alfred Huger
> > Symantec Corp.
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