Full Disclosure mailing list archives

Re: Re: Microsoft to give holes info to Uncle Samfirst


From: "Bruce Ediger" <eballen1 () qwest net>
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 16:24:47 -0700 (MST)


On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Feher Tamas wrote:

If Microsoft gives fixes info to Uncle Sam first, it gives
USA the exploits first.

Note that this may have gone on for some time, and MSFT is not the
only culpable vendor:

Cambridge security researcher Ross Anderson says in his paper "Security
in Open versus Closed Systems - The Dance of Boltzmann, Coase and Moore":

---
The US government prefers vulnerabilities in some products to be reported
to authority first, so that they can be exploited by law enforcement or
intelligence agencies for a while.  Vendors are only encouraged to ship
patches once outsiders start exploiting the hole too.
---

I found this paper at http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/toulouse.pdf

Anderson offers no support for the above statement in his paper.

On a more anecdotal level, just after the 1988 Internet Worm,
I participated in a discussion at a US defense contractor where a
fellow with several clearances claimed that the NSA had dossiers on
each operating system, and they knew all the holes in each of them,
"Even in VMS".
_______________________________________________
Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html
Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://www.secunia.com/


Current thread: