RE: [inbox] Re: This sums up Yahoo!s security policy to a -T-

[Bart.Lansing () kohls com]

Exibar, IANAL...are you?

However, you do know that inheritence laws differ from state to state and 
that in dealing with Yahoo! we are dealing with an international?  Also, I 
remain unconvinced of your assertion that a default inheritor owns digital 
records.  Can you cite case law to support your contention please?

"Exibar" <exibar () thelair com> wrote on 12/25/2004 12:49:10 AM:

>   His parents become the gardians of his estate by default (assuming
> he wasn't married or had children).  His parents now own everything 
> that man had while alive, digital and physical.
>
>   Same thing as if I had died, my wife would inherit everything that
> I own.  Yahoo's only in need of a legal document stating that, then 
> they will have to relinquish the password for his account.  If they 
> do so before they receive this document, then they are breaking 
> their own policies.
>
>   Exibar
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bart.Lansing () kohls com [mailto:Bart.Lansing () kohls com]
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:41 AM
> To: Exibar
> Cc: full-disclosure () lists netsys com; full-disclosure-bounces@lists.
> netsys.com; morning_wood
> Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] This sums up Yahoo!s security
> policy to a -T-

> Exibar wrote on 12/23/2004 09:36:40 AM:
>
> > I applaud Yahoo for adhearing to their policies.  All the familly has 
to do
> > is send legal documents of their son's death, and legal documents 
stating
> > who they are.  At that point I'm sure the account information will be
> > released as per Yahoo's policy.
> >
> >   Instead of trying to get the media involved, they should be getting 
their
> > laywer involved as the clock's ticking on the 90 no-activity delete. 
Their
> > lawyer will know the correct documents to send over to yahoo as proof 
of
> > their son's death and that his parents have control over their dead 
son's
> > belongings/estate.
> >
> >   Perhaps what yahoo *could* do, or *should* do, is remove the 90 day
> > time-out on their son's e-mail account until they can have a chance of 
going
> > through the courts.  Perhaps extend it up to 365 days...
> >
> >   Exibar 
>
> We're goint to disagree here... 
>
> His parents have no right to access his mail account, period. It's 
> not theirs, and unless he stated in a will or prior release that 
> these electronic records should be released...and to whom...they 
> should vanish when his account does. 
>
> These are not memoirs or a diary, or a bundle of written letters 
> which could be argued was knowingly left behind with a high 
> probability of discovery.  These are electronic records deposited 
> with a trusted entity with the expectation of safekeeping and privacy. 
>
> Yahoo "should" violate their own policies in order to facilitate 
> releasing this email into the hands of people who are not owners of 
> those records?  I think not. 
>
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "morning_wood" <se_cur_ity () hotmail com>
> > To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 8:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] This sums up Yahoo!s security policy to 
a -T-
> > > > If their refusal to release that mail even after their customer is 
dead
> > is
> > > > an indication as to their privacy practices, three cheers for 
Yahoo.
> > > > Don't you get the whole "slippery slope" thing?  If it's ok when 
you're
> > > > dead (which it's not, my stuff is my stuff...destroy it when 
you're sure
> > > > I've really shuffled off elsewhere, unless I gave you very 
specific
> > > > instructions otherwise) then maybe it's ok if you are in a 
coma...then
> > > > maybe it's ok if you are really sick and someone else is your 
legal
> > > > guardian becaue you've been declared non-compos mentis...then 
maybe it's
> > > > ok if it's your parents...or your wife...or a concerned 
neighbor...
> > > > What's in that mailbox is/was mine, none of your business unless I 
chose
> > > > to share it.
> > >
> > > i couldnt agree more... another case of lame, illogical media 
bullshit
> > > BRAVO YAHOO
> > >
> > > happy hollidays,
> > >
> > > m.w
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