Re: Request Declined; Causes of failures in systems was list noise

[Steve Kudlak <stevex11 () sbcglobal net>]

phased wrote:

> yes you can suck my cock, mmmk thanks
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Kudlak <stevex11 () sbcglobal net>
> To: dcdave () att net
> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 13:11:36 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] list noise
>
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> > dcdave () att net wrote:
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> >    
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> > > I will NOT respond to this; 
> > > I will NOT respond to this; 
> > > I will Not respond to this;
> > >
> > > dcdave
> > >
> > > --
> > > CSO
> > > InfoSec Group
> > > 703-626-6516            
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> > >
> > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > From: phased <phased () mail ru>
> > >
> > >
> > >      
> > >
> > > > I also care about noise, and responding to stupid mails makes it worse.
> > > > Every time people send stupid mails like the rm file thing, and people reply to 
> > > > the list, the author was successful in filling the list with crap for a day or 
> > > > so.
> > > >
> > > > If no one replies, then they dont get attention and the people who know their 
> > > > advisories(anyone with common sense) are blatantly crap will not be affected by 
> > > > their nuisance.
> > > >
> > > > You always get a load of emails to the list from people who want to tell 
> > > > everyone they know that an advisory for example was crap, yes we know
> > > > thank you, but we are not handing out gold stars today!!!
> > > > No need to tell us all every time!!!
> > > >
> > > > phased
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Barrie Dempster <barrie () reboot-robot net>
> > > > To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
> > > > Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:36:07 +0000
> > > > Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Multiple Backdoors found in eEye Products(IRISand 
> > > > SecureIIS)
> > > >
> > > >   
> > > >
> > > >        
> > > >
> > > > > I'd have to agree with the eEye statement on this one. You sent out an
> > > > > advisory without disclosing the details, which offers no real benefit to
> > > > > anyone. Many people consider this responsible disclosure but that also
> > > > > requires you to notify the vendor (there were no @eeye.com's in your
> > > > > "to" list but there were a couple of press mailboxes).
> > > > >
> > > > > You didn't contact eEye, you didn't release details, you used an
> > > > > anonymous address and failed to mention or credit any of the other guys
> > > > > in your "testing team", This can only lead us to believe that the
> > > > > advisory is fake and only intended to generate bad press for eEye. I
> > > > > personally don't care about eEye's PR rating but I do care about the
> > > > > level of noise on these lists and I do care about backdoor-ed commercial
> > > > > products that are in common use. You may have an issue with eEye and see
> > > > > this as revenge. However, I doubt you also have an issue with the many
> > > > > admins who probably have spent their holiday season investigating these
> > > > > claims, when there are likely more pressing matters to address, such as
> > > > > a large stock of alcohol.
> > > > >
> > > > > Show us details, or be quiet. If you intended to embarrass eEye the plan
> > > > > backfired as any competent professional on this list (there are a few -
> > > > > I've heard stories about them) would see this as a shameful attempt and
> > > > > would be laughing at you, not eEye.
> > > > >
> > > > > Seasons greetings to eEye and all Full Disclosure subscribers - even you
> > > > > "Lance Gusto".
> > > > >
> > > > > With Regards..
> > > > > Barrie Dempster (zeedo) - Fortiter et Strenue
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.bsrf.org.uk
> > > > >
> > > > > [ gpg --recv-keys --keyserver www.keyserver.net 0x96025FD0 ]
> > > > >
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> > >      
> > Neither Will I!
> > Neither Will I!
> > Neither Will I!
> > Let it Die!
> > Let it Die!
> > Let it Die!;)
> >
> > Have Fun,
> > Sends Steve
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> >    
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I would prefer not to; Go find a girlfriend or boyfriend to take of that 
....
It is definitely not  a security issues despite what republicans claimed
during Monicagate but I suspect if one were having "too much fun"
during security software install.bad things might happen later.

Speaking of that I used to write "pattern summaries"  of  NTSB/FAA
air accident stuff in a forner life; Human Error was often at rhe bottom 
of it
and lots of people did pull stupids because they were otherwise involved.
Ofter however a good chunk like 50% could be traced back to people
being too tired when they were doing something important. I wonder how
many security problems come from being tired or something rather tan more
comolicated stuff. I mean some of the setting up stuff I have domne was 
pretty
complicated and should not be done when tied or comprised.  Like now when]
I am tired and making typos etc.''

Have Fun,
Sends Stev

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