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Re: BANTOWN PRESENTS: Give me 0day or give me death
From: InfoSecBOFH <infosecbofh () gmail com>
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 22:09:17 -0800
Alright. I will bite.
Because of my philosophical leanings, I have made the assumption that freedom of speech and expression is an inalienable right granted by nature's God. I have made the extension to this statement that the freedom to write code and execute your code is an extension to free speech. Fascists that may disagree with my statements may go ahead and skip this post.
So you automatically call someone who may disagree with you a fascist? Pot..kettle...black. Only a true fascists calls out others to hide his true will.
The Internet is public property. No establishment has a right to own it.
Actually. It is not. "The Internet started in the late 1960s as a project of the U.S. Department of Defense: the military wanted a communication network that would function even if parts of it were broken, things that usually happen during wartime" October 1969 ARPANET was born. So one could argue that the US DoD owns the Internet. Or, if that argument doesn't work for you. How about you look around at owners of the routers, the owners of the fiber, these are all material possessions that do in fact have owners. So as much as you hate it, the internet calls the DoD daddy just like you as a small child, created by that drunken night an Amsterdam whore was raped, called a woman that everyone uses mommy. Go figure, everyone uses mommy and everyone uses the Internet yet they both still had owners. The Internet owned by the US DoD. Your mommy owned by crack cocaine and a pimp hand.
code which it has not been programmed to execute. If your computer has been programmed to accept my arbitrary code, then there is no moral or ethical violation committed when I introduce my code to yours.
Sure there is. If that code is unauthorized or unwanted on the machine then there are ethical and moral violations if you introduce that code. To bring this back to something you understand. It was an ethical and moral violation for the owners of your mommy to introduce heroin into her system, but yet she executed the syringe willingly.
If you download and execute my code, you have done so willingly.
This I agree with. It is called free will.
If your daemon executes my code after I introduce it in a manner that is innovative and unique, then your daemon has done exactly what it has been programmed to do.
No. The daemon has a purpose and its purpose is supposed to be static. Your code alters the static nature.
Whitehats will try to play games and act like they're the good guys. They will tell you that people who commit "computer crimes" are organized crime types who are out to empty your grandma's bank account. Their arguments are bullshit. No doubt that emptying someone's bank account is a serious crime, but we have real laws to punish this. The laws that we have made to punish "information crimes" are merely laws against thoughtcrime. It is impossible to commit crimes that extend solely in the wired.
Any whitehat that is worth his six figure salary is not and was never a good guy. The good guys are the CISSPs running around like a group of fuck bag idiots trying to justify their existance, their certification and their wage. Meanwhile the so called whitehats are profiting on their stupidity. Did you learn nothing? Whitehat *is* Blackhat. There are no colors just skill levels and pay bands.
Take a look at what your governments are doing. The majority of whitehats are employed in the US,
Oh really? Lets see your study to prove this?
where they have a leader that willingly and openly defies the fourth amendment of their constitution.
The fourth amendment in the American Constitution is; "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." Last I checked, there are no neighborhoods in the United States where people are having their front doors kicked in by US officials and their rights violated. Yes, it happens, but not to the scale you are claiming in your rant. Sure you can argue that US officials are kicking in doors in other countries but do not forget that citizens of other countries are not subject to the US Constitution / Bill of Rights.
They have a corporate oligarchy where a select few families get to control ninety-nine percent of the public funds and purposefully impoverish the working and intellectual classes.
The true intellectual and working class are able to use their brains and their work ethic to suceed. This is called capitalism and while flawed, it is better than other systems as it rewards those that truly work.
Wake up.
Put the crack pipe down son. Good rant. Obviously someone was smoking a bowl and watching Fight Club this evening. Unfortunately Andrew, my friend, rants like that have already been done, done much much better. You want a call to arms? You want to change things? Then how about those that take money for their skills. Those that sell their code and sell their innovation for peanuts to organizations be it corporate USA or underground Russia stop doing so and make the information free for all. You want to cripple the whitehat? You want to revive the whitehathate well all know and miss? Then get everyone to stand up to the so called ethics we have been forced upon and see the Internet for what it is - a US military owned tool. There should be no zero day. There should be no slimeball thug stealing personal information with the assistance of someone smarter than him. There should be information and that information should be free and the impact of this information on corporations and crime syndicates no matter what flag they fly should not be of a concern. Only the corporations and those that abuse and steal benifet from responsible disclosure. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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