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Re: IT security professionals in demand in 2006
From: "J.A. Terranson" <measl () mfn org>
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2005 22:42:49 -0600 (CST)
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005, Andre Ludwig wrote:
Alphabet soup != technical skill,
And really, that is, in a nutshell, the problem. These certifications were supposedly going to tell us who knew what, but just as with the coveted PhD, they are useless for their stated purpose. Let's face it: these certs are an industry unto themselves, and nothing more. Just like much of "higher education" in general - the only difference with the certs is that you can get rich without being a 200 year old multi campus Ivy League university (along with the standard accompanying 2 billion dollar "endowment"). We need to get back to interviewing people and testing their skills in person, and stop relying on greedy third parties to "certify" people. What good is a certification if they "certify" an idiot? If they'd offer a refund of wasted wages these might mean something - at least stand behind your "certification"!!! It's disgusting, but SANS (*) and their ilk are just 21st century versions of the 19th century "University" pyramid scheme. At least *some* of the universities degrees are worth something (i.e., I've never met an MIT graduate who was clueless in their "chosen field", but I've met a LOT of SANS certified people who couldn't find a SYN in a flood. (*) note: used as one example out of 400 candidates. While SANS is every bit as bad as any other, they are probably not any worse. of course, YMMV.) -- Yours, J.A. Terranson sysadmin () mfn org 0xBD4A95BF I like the idea of belief in drug-prohibition as a religion in that it is a strongly held belief based on grossly insufficient evidence and bolstered by faith born of intuitions flowing from the very beliefs they are intended to support. don zweig, M.D. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
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