RE: Senior M$ member says stop using passwords completely!

["Mark Challender" <MarkC () mtbaker wednet edu>]

A simple passphrase -- Golfmakesyougomad! -- as a "password" will create
a very difficult password to crack. 


Mark Challender, MCSE 
Network Administrator 


-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Exibar
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 10:07 AM
To: joe; full-disclosure () lists netsys com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Senior M$ member says stop using
passwords completely!

I couldn't picture having to tell my users to type in a 256 character
password.  Let's make it force 20 uppercase, 20 symbols, 20 high-bit
character, 20 numbers as well.   Although it'll be hard to crack, it'll
take
three hours before they can log in once.  and that's with 2 phone calls
to the helpdesk to unlock their accounts after they entered their
password wrong 3 times in a row. :-)

   Use a secure-ID key fob with a PIN, along with your usual
Userid/password combination.  You'll have a pretty secure login at that
point.

  Exibar

----- Original Message -----
From: "joe" <mvp () joeware net>
To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Senior M$ member says stop using
passwords completely!


> Well I don't think anyone is saying that the issue is that 128
character
> passwords are being easily hacked so I am not quite sure I understand
your
> point about 256 characters and why you mention it. People seem to
dislike
> passwords greater than 14 characters let alone entering passwords of
150 ,
> 200 , or 250 characters. To put it another way, if MS suddenly
increased
the
> buffer to allow for hashing of passwords 1024 characters in size would
you
> push that MS was more secure based on that? I doubt it, I certainly
> wouldn't.
>
> BTW, I tried the link someone previously gave with the password hash I
> previously posted and it is well under 128 characters and the web site
> reported:
>
> Password: not found!
>
>
>   joe
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Eric
Paynter
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:32 PM
> To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
> Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Senior M$ member says stop using
passwords
> completely!
>
> On Sat, October 16, 2004 5:25 pm, Tim said:
> > The reason for my post was to point out that Mr. Hensing doesn't
> > appear to be a reliable source of information on the topic of
> > passwords and hash security.
>
> I think that much became apparent when Mr. Hensing took sarcastic
shots at
> Linux security (e.g. "Attack easier targets like all those Linux boxes
you
> installed because its so much more secure . . ."). Funny thing is,
Linux
> supports up to 256 character passwords by default - twice as long as
> Windows.
>
> -Eric
>
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