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Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes?
From: Michael Simpson <Michael.Simpson () inveresk com>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:08:03 +0100
It is just a rapid way of identifying people which is not a bad thing in some circumstances. Some catagories of patient carry alert bracelets to inform any medical practitioners that they have certain severe reactions or specific medical conditions. The point being that an emergency treatment that would work for the majority of people could kill a particular group of patients (eg morphine or Beta-blockers in severe asthmatics). If a patient is concious then there is no problem but the comatose patient found by the side of the road with no ID of any type is a different situation. Or the patient visiting from another area, on a saturday when her family practitioner's office will be closed so her medical records won't be available, who collapses at a restaurant and her family are unaware that she has been given a diagnosis of terminal cancer 2 months ago. No records available, much blundering by truth seeking medic, the "did you know your mother has a massive cancerous liver" chat, etc. Allowing doctors to chip folk for their own benefit is something that the medical profession will want (and want it to be compulsory) but would always be resisted by most unless its insertion was painless, easily reversible yet impossible to palpate and there was a cast iron guarantee that the body wouldn't react to it or it wouldn't get infected. I think it should be offered to those vuln patients that want it as a mechanism to ensure that when they go to hospital in extremis the treatment they receive does more good than harm without having to wear an unfashionable item of "jewelry". The only other thing is that nature provides each individual with several biometric unique identifiers already so why add more just because they are more easily read by machines at this present moment in time? from insecure's post snip The chip only stores an ID number. This ID number could be used as a patient ID number to access records in some remote, allegedly secure database. The health care provider would need to already have access to the remote database /snip Having been a geek since the days of prestel finding myself working in scrubs and up to my elbows in patients' bloody thoraces for the last decade the only comment i can make about the security of databases or indeed any of teh tech in the health service in areas of britain where i have worked is : hahahahahahahahahahaha, what fuqin sec? Though things may have changed in the 5 months since i left the "house of pain" ;-) and they may have replaced EVERYONE involved with the money-hosing competition that is NHS IT i sincerely hope the situation is different elsewhere in the world. regards mikie full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com wrote on 14/10/2004 18:38:20:
Found an article discussing a new verichip that would be implanted under
patient's skin and used to store medical information. Each time the
patient
would visit the doctor, this information would get updated. This raises concerns about privacy as the chip could also be used to track the
whereabouts
of an individual, aside from obvious concerns with HIPAA and the secure transmission and storage of patient health info. Interesting read: (Article - FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ) http://www.comcast.
net/News/HEALTHWELLNESS//XML/1700_High_Tech/3b28fa7e-6692-41c6-aba7-eef87a7cec56.html
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Current thread:
- FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? Jesse Valentin (Oct 14)
- Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? insecure (Oct 14)
- Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? KF_lists (Oct 14)
- Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? Michael Simpson (Oct 15)
- Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? Simon Richter (Oct 15)
- Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? Jesse Valentin (Oct 15)
- Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? Simon Richter (Oct 15)
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- Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? Michael Simpson (Oct 15)
- Re: FDA Approves Use of Chip in Patients ? HIPAA woes? insecure (Oct 14)