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Re: Certifications
From: Scott Renna <srenna () vdbmusic com>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 12:37:26 -0500
I try to be considerate and leave our industry open to all, but bootcampers I have met....sheeesh, you may as well just had over the keys to the castle. In many cases, they think they know what they are doing and weaken the security overall of the network. i deal with this daily with my "higher-ups"
Honestly, it kind of makes me sad that I have a CISSP as I've recently met several supposed Security Experts that have those 5 letters attached to their name and know NOTHING.
That's why I recommend GIACs. GIACs actually demonstrate you know what you are talking about
pingywon MCSE wrote:
Well this is one area I have dealt with too many times. For anyone who hasspent anytime on the MS cert new groups you all know what im talking about.People who are already employed in IT with out any certs are the firsts ones to say how worthless they are and how everyone who has them "just memorized"a bunch of questions.People who have some certs - and might only be in the position they are intoday due largely to some certs would tend to disagree.I have also worked for one of these "boot camp" schools (for a total of about 3 months-shame on me) The inherent problem is that while the "boot camps" do serve their purpose to people who need brushing up to gain some certs - people that already have a solid base to build upon - those aren’t the people that go to boot camps . It doesn’t matter if it is a 2 week boot camp or a 6 month one. The people that go to these boot camps are roofers and construction workers who want a way out of their current employment situation. While that is all well and good these people do not make the best candidates for IT work (with no background knowledge) and the boot camps don’t care (no matter if its MS er cisco boot camps) They just want their $$ ......like cattle I suppose. Has this brought down the "bar" on what a cert means? ...it sure has Does it mean everyone with certs doesn’t know anything? Not at all Most employers take certs for granted..And now they are EXPECTED - before the cert use to be a distinguishing mark, now it is given ~pingywon MCSEhttp://www.pingywon.com-----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 02:57 To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Subject: [Full-disclosure] Certifications While I gotta agree that experience is what counts, what (if any) specialist certs should a tertiary student, with a special interest in security, use to underpin their prac? P.S. If I'm too ignorant to warrant a civil answer, like being told to go to the movies, my apologies in advance so no flame needed. ===== one step at a time... Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.797 / Virus Database: 541 - Release Date: 11/15/2004--- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.797 / Virus Database: 541 - Release Date: 11/15/2004_______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: [ok] Certifications Scott Renna (Nov 22)
- RE: [ok] Certifications Clement Dupuis (Nov 22)
- Re: [ok] Certifications Anders Langworthy (Nov 22)
- Re: [ok] Certifications Scott Renna (Nov 22)
- Re: [ok] Certifications Valdis . Kletnieks (Nov 22)
- Re: [ok] Certifications Scott Renna (Nov 22)
- RE: [ok] Certifications Curt Purdy (Nov 22)
- RE: Certifications pingywon MCSE (Nov 22)
- Re: Certifications Scott Renna (Nov 22)
- RE: Certifications Clement Dupuis (Nov 22)
- RE: Certifications pingywon MCSE (Nov 22)
- RE: Certifications Ron DuFresne (Nov 22)
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