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RE: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable
From: "Clairmont, Jan M" <jan.m.clairmont () citigroup com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2004 14:52:02 -0400
A little about Congressional procedures, once out of committee a bill only needs a voice vote and the president to sign it to become law if no one objects. The President has 90 days to veto or sign it or not to become law. The President doesn't even have to sign it. So this trigger is there to be pulled at anytime. Now if you think that who is in the White House and Congress doesn't matter as to how the rest of this War on terror is conducted you are very naive, McGovern versus Nixon, Carter versus Reagan, Bush versus Clinton, Kerry versus Bush. Our whole next generation and our lives will be affected to the point of insanity. Sit back and be drafted or actively participate. Perpetual War or a limited selective strike against the terrorist. I frankly am not at war with the Muslim World. And I do not want to send my sons there and have them return in body bags or any of you out there is Warland. So I am asking again how can we make the Election fair, one person one vote rather than one vote in the bit bucket. I really don't want the Supreme court and Florida to determine who's president next time. But that probably won't happen. We are voting for either drafting everybody 49 or under and fight the Muslim World or I feel limit this fight to terror elements and make it more a criminal justice effort. With a war we are all under edict and the whims of those who would use torture as a normal procedure. Great, no courts, no writ, no lawyers, just torture at will. If they will do it to Iraqi's they will do it to John Q and Jane Q AverageAmerican. If you want to vote this ok, but let's make it a fair count. Is this what the majority of americans want? I don't think so. I don't care how you feel about the war on terror I just want to know that election will be a fair and partial count of votes. Jan Clairmont Firewall Administrator/Consultant -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com]On Behalf Of Harlan Carvey Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:09 PM To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com Cc: Clairmont, Jan M Subject: RE: [Full-disclosure] Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Jan, Thanks for the response...
http://www.rense.com/general52/fgult.htm
I read the site, and it linked to a CNN story: http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/ Notice that the date on the CNN piece is 30 Dec '02.
A link to the article about the passed but yet unsigned draft bill.
I followed another link from the site to Congress.org: http://congress.org/congressorg/issues/bills/?billnum=S.89&congress=108 According to that site, a more complete summary of the bill is found at: http://congress.org/congressorg/issues/bills/?billnum=S.89&congress=108&size=full According to *that* page, the status of the bill as of 7 Jan '03 was that it was "Read twice and referred to the Committee on Armed Services." So my question to you now is...where did you get the information that stated that this draft bill had been "passed"? Were you trying to say that it has been "passed" or agreed to by any legislative body? If so, which one? Or do you mean, "passed" in the sense of passing the sports section to the guy in the stall next to you? I'm just being facetious, and I really am genuinely interested to know where you're getting your information that this proposed legislation has been voted on and passed by legislative body.
Problems with electronic voting; FYI
I'm familiar with some of the issues regarding electronic voting...what I'm not seeing is the connection between that and this draft issue you raised. Thanks, Harlan _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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- Re: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable, (continued)
- Re: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Frank Knobbe (Jul 01)
- Re: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Barry Fitzgerald (Jul 01)
- Re: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Kurt Seifried (Jul 01)
- Re: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Ron DuFresne (Jul 01)
- Re: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Nasir Ghaznavi (Jul 02)
- Re: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Daniel Veditz (Jul 02)
- RE: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Harlan Carvey (Jul 01)
- Re: Presidential Candidates' Websites Vulnerable Barry Fitzgerald (Jul 01)