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Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack
From: Denis Dimick <denis () dimick net>
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 20:14:32 -0700 (PDT)
Paul, If I'm understanding you correctly you don't understand Linux/Redhat. Or your just being silly to make a point. sendmail, wftp , php, etc.. are not owned by Redhat. Each of these applications are owned buy someone else and Redhat is allowed to re-distribute them. And using the number of fixes/patches to an application as an indication of how god it is, is a bad thing. Using this logic you would have to say M$ is a good product. Denis On Wed, 30 Jun 2004, Paul Schmehl wrote:
--On Wednesday, June 30, 2004 6:27 PM -0500 Frank Knobbe <frank () knobbe us> wrote:Instead of requiring the consumer to install patches, Microsoft should be required to fix their own, broken products. That means that they should send their army of engineers (a lot of which are now carrying the CISSP certification) to the consumers and have their engineers correct the flaws in their products. They sold flawed products, they should fix it.I'm right there with you, Frank, on one condition. You hold *every* software vendor to the same standard. IOW, "Apache should be required to fix their own, broken products"..."RedHat Linux should be required"......"Oracle should be required"....."sendmail"....."wuftpd"....."php"..."mysql"...etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Be careful what you wish for. You may actually get it. I just upgraded my workstation from RedHat 9.0 to Fedora Core 1. I then ran up2date and found that there were 142 software packages that needed to be updated. Just before I did that, I run portupgrade on one of my FreeBSD boxes. It had 17 programs that had to be updated. If we're going to require that software vendors produce flawless products, we're not going to have many software products. Even Postfix, which *to my knowledge* has never had a security issue, has had numerous bug fixes. (And I think so highly of Postfix that the first thing I do when I install a new OS is replace sendmail with Postfix.) I attended a presentation yesterday for a security product in the application firewall field. During the presentation, the CISSP stated that "in every 1000 lines of code there will be 15 errors". I don't know if I'd agree with that - I suspect most coders are a bit better than that - but I had to chuckle, because, of course, I immediately thought, "So you admit that your code is riddled with holes!" We need better methodologies for finding bugs in software. We need better training of programmers. We need established standards for coding that would define things like bounds checking. We need a *lot* of improvements in software development, and those improvements need to be *industry-wide*, not just Microsoft. Every time I read about a security vendor with a remote hole in their products, I think, "How in the world can they identify attacks, if they can't even see them in their own code?" Clearly the problem is a *lot* bigger than Microsoft alone. Paul Schmehl (pauls () utdallas edu) Adjunct Information Security Officer The University of Texas at Dallas AVIEN Founding Member http://www.utdallas.edu _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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Current thread:
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Frank Knobbe (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Paul Schmehl (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Frank Knobbe (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Denis Dimick (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Aditya, ALD [ Aditya Lalit Deshmukh ] (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Frank Knobbe (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Denis Dimick (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack (fully off topic!) Aditya, ALD [ Aditya Lalit Deshmukh ] (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Valdis . Kletnieks (Jul 01)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Raj Mathur (Jul 01)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Maarten (Jul 01)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Akos Szalkai (Jul 05)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Paul Schmehl (Jun 30)
- Re: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Denis Dimick (Jun 30)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Stuart Fox (DSL AK) (Jun 30)
- RE: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Denis Dimick (Jul 01)
- RE: [OT] Web sites compromised by IIS attack Eric Paynter (Jul 01)
- Re: [OT] Web sites compromised by IIS attack codec (Jul 01)
- RE: Web sites compromised by IIS attack Denis Dimick (Jul 01)