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Re: Anti-MS drivel
From: "Gregh" <chows () ozemail com au>
Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:20:59 +1100
----- Original Message ----- From: "Cael Abal" <lists () onryou com> To: <full-disclosure () lists netsys com> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:27 AM
If I understand him correctly, Tobias is simply suggesting that users ought not be held accountable for using faulty software. Using a
That IS and WAS the point. Perhaps you ought to read what I was saying. To boil it all down, I was saying "If the user is such an idiot as to get on to the net without understanding what they can be open to and doing something about it in the first place, it isnt the fault of the bank if their account was emptied because they installed a keylogger on their machine.". Such things arent the fault of the OS but the fault of the user entirely. In this case, the bank did nothing wrong, the OS wasnt to blame, the ISP had no fault attributable to them either. You cant blame MS, the ISP or anyone else if you decide to go web banking without a decent AV and/or firewall prog. If the user doesnt even know what all that means, then they should have the sense to seek out someone who does.
debatable but reasonable definition of faulty software, as he does, it's really a fairly robust and straightforward argument.
It's also classically wrong in a lot of users' cases. In most cases it isnt the OS to blame. Most users who are ripped off by Dumpers or Keyloggers do so because they get on the net without a clue and without a thought. Those people often then blame the corporate entity which did nothing wrong. It is their own fault. Greg. _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
Current thread:
- Re: Anti-MS drivel, (continued)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel ken (Jan 20)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Gregh (Jan 20)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Tobias Weisserth (Jan 20)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Gregh (Jan 21)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Tobias Weisserth (Jan 22)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Gregh (Jan 23)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Nick FitzGerald (Jan 23)
- RE: OT: was Anti-MS drivel; SCO fights GPL Andreas Bischoff (Jan 23)
- Re: OT: was Anti-MS drivel; SCO fights GPL Jeremiah Cornelius (Jan 23)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Cael Abal (Jan 22)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Gregh (Jan 23)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Erich Buri (Jan 20)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel yossarian (Jan 20)
- RE: Anti-MS drivel Mike Marshall (Jan 20)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Jeremiah Cornelius (Jan 20)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Tobias Weisserth (Jan 21)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel yossarian (Jan 21)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Tobias Weisserth (Jan 21)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel yossarian (Jan 21)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel Tobias Weisserth (Jan 21)
- Re: Anti-MS drivel yossarian (Jan 21)