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Re: Knocking Microsoft
From: Dave Sherohman <esper () sherohman org>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 11:11:04 -0600
On Sat, Feb 28, 2004 at 02:18:34PM +1300, Steve Wray wrote:
Most of the nice, friendly, easy to use package management systems (rpm and apt for two) usually run the daemon in its default configuration, immediately its installed. And if they don't actually run them at install time, they set them up to start at the next reboot (having set up the default symlinks in /etc/rc[1-5].d), yes, in its default configuration. IMO this *sucks* and is every bit as bad as any M$ offering.
I will agree with you that "this *sucks* and is every bit as bad as any M$ offering", in cases where apt/rpm installs the service by default. Debian may run mysql and watchdog in single-user mode when they are installed (or it may not - I've never used either of these packages, so I don't know one way or the other), but it does not install them unless explicitly asked to do so. Even if we assume that every service is activated when installed under Debian, a base Debian install still has very few active services because very few services are installed by default. And, as Martin has pointed out, even when they are activated automatically, they use a configuration which has been secured by the package's maintainer. This is significantly different from Microsoft's historical tendency to install and activate every service any user might ever think about wanting by default and set most of them up with wide-open configurations. -- The freedoms that we enjoy presently are the most important victories of the White Hats over the past several millennia, and it is vitally important that we don't give them up now, only because we are frightened. - Eolake Stobblehouse (http://stobblehouse.com/text/battle.html) _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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