Re: FW: Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

[Andrew Silva <andy () romnet com>]

well put.

raza wrote:

> Well as a security professional I can testify that the sites you want
> closed down ie reference to zone-h etc.. Are a valued source of
> knowledge!
>
> Obviously your not plugged into security and as such use these groups to
> talk Shi* and justify your views of closing IRC Channels.
>
> Thankfully your not in government and btw , not all readers on this list
> are in the US , I am  from the UK and its clear to me that you don't
> understand the concept of freedom of information !
>
> r
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin () lists netsys com] On Behalf Of Bruce
> Ediger
> Sent: 17 November 2004 20:29
> To: full-disclosure () lists netsys com
> Subject: Re: FW: [Full-disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment
>
> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004, n3td3v wrote:
>
>         ...
>
>  
>
> > > If I was in gov, I would shut a site down that looks remotely
> > > hax0rish, even if they've done nothing wrong. All these crews and
> > > hacker groups, fk them all. The net needs zero tollerence with
> > >      
> online
>  
>
> > > crime. Govs should have the authority to close anything done because
> > > they feel like it, without needing to prove shit.
> > >
> > > I would even close IRC channels. Hackphreak on undernet looks
> > > harmless, but fk that. Close it anyway, its time to get a tighter
> > >      
> grip
>  
>
> > > on things.
> > >      
>         ...
>  
>
> > Same for zone-h.org, close the crap down.. f**k anything that looks
> > remotely hax0rish.
> >    
>
> Unfortunately, the US Government operates under the auspices of a small
> document called "The Constitution", and a little concept called "Common
> Law".
> Now, I know that you trendy kids call things like that "quaint" (I
> believe
> that's what our new Attorney general calls things like the Geneva
> Convention.
> See
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/06/13/wguan13.
> xml&sSheet=/news/2004/06/13/ixworld.html)
> but fortunately for the rest of us, "presumption of innocence" remains
> the standard of the land.
>
> If you small-minded totalitarians don't like that sacred principle, get
> the hell out of the US.  We don't need your kind. Move to some Banana
> Republic where they change the rules all the time in the face of 1000
> years of tradition and philosophy and the Blood of Patriots who died to
> protect these rights.
>
> "Zero tollerence".  What will these doofuses think of next?  I bet they
> start up a cult of personality around the nation's leader, including a
> new salute borrowed from the Romans.
>
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