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Re: Destroying PCs remotely?
From: Ron DuFresne <dufresne () winternet com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2003 13:03:11 -0500 (CDT)
It's interesting that variations on this theme are discussed, and rejected, at least once a year iin the various security lists. The fact that security professionals can be brought back to this topic on a fairly regular basis to rehash the issue shows that the level of frustration for property rights, privacy, and all the other fine areas that these proposals touch upon, are not just black and white. It's when we get to such a conservative stance and outlook that the rejection of such 'methods' is harder to putdown as ridiculas and outright rejected by the majority that the early 21st century can truely be dubbed the "fearful and paranoid years of lost freedoms". The sad fact is, that it's not unconceivable that this could well happen in the near future... Thanks, Ron DuFresne -- -------------------------------- They just wanted to control the uncontrolable, and nobody could see the fault in that. So, one and all they allowed their delegates to vote down the -=democratic=- freedoms that had lasted for shortly over 200 years, and became that which they had long fought against... ---anonnymous On Wed, 18 Jun 2003, Shawn McMahon wrote:
On Wed, Jun 18, 2003 at 04:49:44PM +0100, John.Airey () rnib org uk said:Your constitution says (Amendment V) "No person shall ... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law". How you can have due process when any warnings will be on the PC that has been destroyed? Unless of course you find out the person's address. If youYou can't. But off-the-cuff comments essentially wishing doom on people you don't like aren't violations of the Constitution. When we make them against spammers, we view it as justifiable frustation. When Hatch makes them against copyright violators, folks come out of the woodwork spewing venom. Some of them, ironically, calling for the destruction of his PC without due process. Hatch wasn't introducing a bill, he was bitching about people doing something illegal that he personally disagrees with, and that has a potential direct effect on him since he holds some copyrights. If he'd said "spammer" instead of "copyright violator" we'd all be cheering him on. Instead, you're making statements like "people like him give Christians a bad name", which is really ironic in an email signed with an anti-Evolution sig. -- Shawn McMahon | Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, EIV Consulting | that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any UNIX and Linux | hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, to assure http://www.eiv.com| the survival and the success of liberty. - JFK
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- Re: Destroying PCs remotely?, (continued)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Alexander Heidenreich (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? Schmehl, Paul L (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? John . Airey (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? John . Airey (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Blue Boar (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Blue Boar (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Ron DuFresne (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? morning_wood (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Daniel Mack (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? martin f krafft (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? William D. Colburn (aka Schlake) (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Wes Zuber (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? ktabic (Jun 19)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)
- RE: Destroying PCs remotely? JT (Jun 18)
- Re: Destroying PCs remotely? Shawn McMahon (Jun 18)